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"People Fail When They Don't Adapt Their Scheme to Their Players"

Muck said:
So says new Florida Gators coach Urban Meyer, fresh off his 12-0 season with Utah.

Meyer also said, "The offense for (QB) Josh Harris, who's now with the Baltimore Ravens, at Bowling Green was different than the offense for (QB) Alex Smith (of Utah). It's an adaptable offense that's not hard to learn."

The next sentence was the phrase in which I titled my thread. And he said all this with authority.

BTW - I heard all this on the news just now. But I'm sure these quotes and more can be found on the web. After five years of Wanny and four years with Jimmy, Urban Meyer's words really spoke to me.

You don't put square pegs in round holes. Period. Why is this so hard for NFL so many coaches to understand?? I guess they all feel that their scheme is like Mike Shannahan's running game.

But I would be remiss if I didn't mention the fact that things seem to be changing with Jim Bates aboard. Tops on that list is the offensive line abandoning the man-only schemes to more zone protection and simplification for these young players.

I just thought I'd pass this along. It's not often we get to hear "sweet nothings" like this.
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I heard the press conference too and that specific quote when he was asked if he'd run the same offense that he did in Utah and then he made the quote. Basically that you have to adjust your scheme to the talent on the roster. That simple bit of logic if it existed anywhere in Wanny's thick skull should have changed things the second RW bolted. But NOOOO, he didn't change a thing. Plus he had almost all new young starters on the o-line, with Wise using schemes designed for the Dallas all-pro o-lines of the 90s.
It's a shame such a fool was in charge here for so long, and on top of it he made a habit of trading future picks. So now that we suck we strengthen the rosters of the teams we traded with.
I hope we end up with someone like Urban who can adjust to the players on the roster.
 
cmax13 said:
i think that is why don shula is one of the best coaches, because he did just that, adapted the game to the players he had on the roster.

in the 70's it was run, run, run, pass once in a while, with csonka, kiick, and morris, but when he got marino in the 80's it was pass, pass, pass, run once in a while to keep everyone honest.

the best coaches do this, the worst don't, and usually fail miserably.
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He was one of the best at that on Offense, no doubt.

On Defense, he was a bit more stubborn; he stuck with the 3-4 long after it was evident that he didn't have - and couldn't acquire - the players to fit that scheme.

Don't get me wrong, as far as I'm concerned Shula was a God among men; but he had a blind spot there, and it was part of the reason for the team's inability to win the SB during Marino's time - the other part being the absolutely horrible luck he had with players at Running Back.
 
Wow, the more I hear about Urban Meyer the more I like the guy. He is going to have Florida dominant in the very near future.

We can only hope we get a coach that is that intelligent and innovative.

Bates is making changes and the team is looking better. I really don't think anyone could have turned around this team. Maybe he could be considered for HC. However, I would hope he gets a new D cordinator, plus a new O'scheme. I am still torn on this idea. I still think Childress would be the best fit though. Maybe Bates as a fall back plan.
 
Muck said:
So says new Florida Gators coach Urban Meyer, fresh off his 12-0 season with Utah.

Meyer also said, "The offense for (QB) Josh Harris, who's now with the Baltimore Ravens, at Bowling Green was different than the offense for (QB) Alex Smith (of Utah). It's an adaptable offense that's not hard to learn."

The next sentence was the phrase in which I titled my thread. And he said all this with authority.

BTW - I heard all this on the news just now. But I'm sure these quotes and more can be found on the web. After five years of Wanny and four years with Jimmy, Urban Meyer's words really spoke to me.

You don't put square pegs in round holes. Period. Why is this so hard for NFL so many coaches to understand?? I guess they all feel that their scheme is like Mike Shannahan's running game.

But I would be remiss if I didn't mention the fact that things seem to be changing with Jim Bates aboard. Tops on that list is the offensive line abandoning the man-only schemes to more zone protection and simplification for these young players.

I just thought I'd pass this along. It's not often we get to hear "sweet nothings" like this.
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This is exactly what Brad Childress' offensive philosophy is...which is one of many reasons he should be our next head coach. He says that you have to adjust to what you have.
 
I didn't realize this was a throwback thread until the last post. BTW, Meyer will do a great job at U of F. Add Joe Gibbs name to the list of coaches that won't adapt.
 
I don't think it's about the scheme, it's about having good players. Bill Belicheck was a bad head coach until he got Tom Brady, Mike Shanahan was a genius with John Elway and now he can't get out of the 1st rd of the playoffs. Look at Tony Dungy who as the head coach of Tampa where they had a very good defense, he goes to Indy and they can't stop anybody but can light up the scoreboard, the opposite of what he did in Tampa, the same can be said about coordinators who've gone on to become head coaches in Billick and Marvin Lewis. A team with great schemes is not gonna be successful unless they've got good players.
 
cmax13 said:
i think that is why don shula is one of the best coaches, because he did just that, adapted the game to the players he had on the roster.

in the 70's it was run, run, run, pass once in a while, with csonka, kiick, and morris, but when he got marino in the 80's it was pass, pass, pass, run once in a while to keep everyone honest.

the best coaches do this, the worst don't, and usually fail miserably.
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Funny, I was going to use the exact example to make a point in the other direction. I think adapting to your personnel is usually overhyped and overutilized simpleton ignorance. The basics of every team sport do not change. Shula failed to realize that when he over-rotated our philosophy to ridiculous degree with Marino. I knew we had no chance as soon as the stat sheet revealed fewer and fewer rushing attempts, progressively less than the formula for NFL playoff success. You'll never win big in the NFL via tickling instead of punching.

Again, it's called the Vince Lombardi Trophy, not the Don Coryell Trophy. Bellicheck has done a marvelous job via personnel changes on defense mostly due to injury, but I remember Romeo Cromel stating several times that the fundamental defensive philosophy remained the same throughout. Likewise the Pats formula on offense has been very consistent, albeit a little bit more pass oriented in 2003. In two recent seasons they had the exact number of rushing attempts in the regular season.

Phil Jackson will return to the NBA next season. Guess what offense the Lakers will run? Hint: if he coached ANYWHERE else the answer would be the same, regardless of personnel. So much for adapting.

If Urban Meyer is another one of these cutesy guys who thinks he is smart enough to reinvent the sport and make alterations here and there, I'm even more desperate for my Canes to play the chicken Gators on an annual basis. Our base 4-3 attacking defense has held up for 20+ years and will kick his ***.
 
This was the first post that I posted when Saban came aboard. Coaches who use schemes and fail to adapt to personnel FAIL - and those who tailor a system to their talent succeed. What a shame to waste a gem like Jason Taylor with same damn stale approach game after game. It is a new beginning baby and Saban is gonna smash some peoples' teeth in!
 
FinsNYanksFan13 said:
You have to adapt to the players, no doubt about it!
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Is this so, then why would you take T-Bones (Ronnie Brown) over Filet Mignon (Carnell Williams). All I heard was that Ronnief its our O, and thats why we drafted him, but we missed out on the next Barry, because he didn't fit our O?

So, you say the coaches should "change" to fit their players, but thats not the case when selecting a draft choice?

TALK ABOUT HYPOCRITCAL.....
 
Ronnie Brown fits ANY offense IMO. If Saban believed Williams was the next Sanders, I think he would have taken him. I think he'll be an exceptional player myself.

Until Brown proves that he's limiting our offense, I refuse to believe that he was a poor pick in our horrible draft (as you assert).
 
Muck said:
Ronnie Brown fits ANY offense IMO. If Saban believed Williams was the next Sanders, I think he would have taken him.

Until Brown proves that he's limiting our offense, I refuse to believe that he was a poor pick in our horrible draft (as you assert).
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You can assert, insert, de-insert anything you like. But, until you listen, your just another cog in the spew wheel. I never said the draft was horrible (talent wise), I said the draft was horrible because we picked all replacement players. We added nothing but talent at talent position already!

And, that is fine, you can believe Ronnie will be some stellar player, he will be a 1000 yard back. Is that stellar? Some would say good, but I dont think anyone would say a 1000 yard back is stellar.
 
LithoMan said:
You can assert, insert, de-insert anything you like. But, until you listen, your just another cog in the spew wheel. I never said the draft was horrible (talent wise), I said the draft was horrible because we picked all replacement players. We added nothing but talent at talent position already!
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Amazing. :shakeno:
 
LithoMan said:
You can assert, insert, de-insert anything you like. But, until you listen, your just another cog in the spew wheel. I never said the draft was horrible (talent wise), I said the draft was horrible because we picked all replacement players. We added nothing but talent at talent position already!

And, that is fine, you can believe Ronnie will be some stellar player, he will be a 1000 yard back. Is that stellar? Some would say good, but I dont think anyone would say a 1000 yard back is stellar.
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Amazing! :eek:
 
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