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FinNation13
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Yes a Fan supports his teams QB, but that doesnt mean you cant be critical of him.
FinNation13 said:
I agree that you can be critical of anyone playing sub-par to his abilities, but I think the point of this post is to those who continue and continue to insist that some of the sacks in the Titans game were because Daunte held the ball too long, when in reality it was a complete Offensive Line breakdown. So the criticism is completely unwarranted and unfair if it isnt true on that point of his game. Agreed??
SCall13
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Good grief. There is NOTHING wrong or unusual about criticizing a player on ANY team for bad/ sub-par play. Why do some people act so surprised that there are people pissed off about, or disappointed in, Daunte Culpepper? Regardless of the myriad of excuses given for him, he is not playing well at all. I have seen QBs with less physical skills play better behind lesser offensive lines. Is it all Culpepper's fault? Definetly not. Is it all the offensive lines fault? Definetly not. This offense is struggling in just about every aspect that an offense can struggle in. Bad play is hampering everyone, and instead of a player or two stepping up and leading the offense out of the slump, they seem to be following each other down the pipes. This offense isn't going to get any better until someone steps up. Culpepper, right now, is struggling too much with confidence issues to be the true, fiery leader that the offense needs. And it's rubbing off on everyone else. Our biggest fireball on offense, Randy McMichael (who isn't playing well either) has been reduced to playing offensive line because we are struggling to pick up blitzes.
Anyway, the blame can be spread around. I'm not happy with Culpepper's play at all. But that doesn't make me a hater. It's just stating the obvious. If people can't see that, then they have some serious homer glasses on. It isn't a matter of dislike of a player, it's a matter of disgust with the lack of production from the most important position on offense. For a player who has openly said he knows the playbook basically perfectly, he is struggling an awful lot because of himself and the players around him.
Anyway, the blame can be spread around. I'm not happy with Culpepper's play at all. But that doesn't make me a hater. It's just stating the obvious. If people can't see that, then they have some serious homer glasses on. It isn't a matter of dislike of a player, it's a matter of disgust with the lack of production from the most important position on offense. For a player who has openly said he knows the playbook basically perfectly, he is struggling an awful lot because of himself and the players around him.
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I think most fans want him to succeed - but there is legitimate concern that the guy isn't healthy yet. When everyone but the coaching staff can see it - fans, opposing players, opposing coaches, analysts, etc - then it is real and teams are game planning for it.
My biggest criticism is for the coaching staff for having him out there before he is healthy, when the whole point of getting HArrington was to have a starting caliber QB if Daunte couldn't go. Well, Daunte can't go - yet.
My biggest criticism is for the coaching staff for having him out there before he is healthy, when the whole point of getting HArrington was to have a starting caliber QB if Daunte couldn't go. Well, Daunte can't go - yet.
PerfectFinz72
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For all those complaining that the sacks from last game were Cpep's fault, it's nice to see a true breakdown of the sacks that show the oline is more responsible. Not that I'm glad that the oline gave up the sacks, I just like seeing actual breakdowns versus threads on this board saying cpep held onto the ball too long which would be an incorrect analysis.
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I love that the debate is if the sacks are Culpeppers fault or the O-line. And it goes on and on and on...blah, blah, blah. But that is all Culpepper lovers have. Arguing that it is not his fault. I agree that our o-line has played poorly, but so had Daunte.
My question...can anyone point out where Culpepper made a play that an upper level QB makes several times a game? In three games I can't think of one. Although, when Saban / Mularkey tried to let Daunte win it in Pittsburgh he threw two picks...game over. He wasn't under heavy pressure on those plays either. Then there is the Buffalo throw before the half. Against the Titans it was all run that led us to victory.
Until Daunte actually makes a couple of plays the only way to defend him is to say look at his past numbers...except last years...that doesn't count and it is the o-lines fault. DAUNTE MAKE A PLAY OR TWO IN THE GAME...PLEASE!
My question...can anyone point out where Culpepper made a play that an upper level QB makes several times a game? In three games I can't think of one. Although, when Saban / Mularkey tried to let Daunte win it in Pittsburgh he threw two picks...game over. He wasn't under heavy pressure on those plays either. Then there is the Buffalo throw before the half. Against the Titans it was all run that led us to victory.
Until Daunte actually makes a couple of plays the only way to defend him is to say look at his past numbers...except last years...that doesn't count and it is the o-lines fault. DAUNTE MAKE A PLAY OR TWO IN THE GAME...PLEASE!
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On one sack McMicheal collapsed down and failed to pick up a rusher and on another Ronnie Brown failed to pick up a blitzer, so even if it is not C-Pep, it isn't always the o line either......JayCee said:
I am definately not a Pepper hater because he is a very good QB but the fact of the matter is........HE ISN'T BACK YET. You have to admit that he is not adjusted to being a pocket QB which is what he has to do. He is like Jake Plumer who loves to throw on the run and mak Defenders miss him by scooting around. he can't do that now that's why I believe he is playing the way he is. I agree with the statement of going back to Plan A with Harrington until CP is back at his prime.
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RenoFinFan said:
Well, most recently his scrable for a TD was a good one. He used it all there, looked down, saw the hole, scrambled and scored. In this passed game it appeared as though his confidence grew because rather than chucking the ball, he held onto it. And as has been pointed out, it does make the job more difficult when you only get 2.8 seconds to find the receiver or eat it. The ONE pick in Pittsburgh could be counted as a bad decision or it could be a blown play all around, which included a bad decision. CPeP had some decent throws to folks this past game. Remember though that he doesn't create the play unless it's an audible. There appears to have been a lot of timing issues with several players. He sync's up good with Welker, and in Tennessee he hooked up with more players including Welker.
Progress - 2 INT's/Pitt, 1 INT/BUFF, 0/INT's/TN - even the sacks per game has gone down. So, we are making progress and that is what counts. Look at the receiving sats to date. If CPeP doesn't get the ball to them, it doesn't happen.
http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/MIA/2006/regular
I'm not aying he is great - I am saying that he is doing well enough at this pint considering everything to not deserve the bologne that is being heaped on him by the hordes.
PerfectFinz72
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RenoFinFan said:
If you read the article, it breaks down the sacks (non-objectively) and whose at fault. Culpepper was at fault for a bunch of the sacks in week 2, the oline was more at fault week 3. Your thinking the "debate" is something it's not. Its all about improving all the way around the board, this article just happened to break down the sacks...thats all.
Finsperfect72
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I don't hate Culpepper, I just hate the decision that was made to bring him here. I feared he'd be a bad fit and, so far, that's proven out. A QB whose claim to fame is his ability to scramble out of trouble loses his biggest weapon when his knee goes. And his knee was sliced to shreds. Couple that with a lack of focus and concentration and it's a recipe for disaster.
He is by no means the sum total of trouble we're seeing. He's just the most prominent.
He is by no means the sum total of trouble we're seeing. He's just the most prominent.
Phantom said:
Im referring to the article that started with this post which indicated that all 5 sacks against the Titans were Offensive Line breakdowns. Check out the article, it is a very good read and analysis of each of the five sacks. This is also supported by Saban's press conference, which is why the writer decided to watch game tape to see if it really wasn't Daunte's fault, as Saban had stated.