Perception versus reality

[dlockz]

Time to play everyone's favorite game show. Perception versus reality.
I will examine many ideas on that come across on this board and look at facts versus feelings.


Ted Ginn is a bust- I will admit I did not want to draft Ginn at 9 and would have booed with the crowd when he was chosen but he is a second year player that is actually starting. He has 20 receptions and his biggest drawback is the lack of big plays and his paltry 8.9 reception average with no TD's. Its not Ted Ginn's fault that we had a moron running the show that passed on other players to choose a guy that in this year's draft would have likely been a second rounder. I think Dwayne Bowe's success as a later draft pick really irks many people that want to pounce on Ginn. I think we might as well accept that Bowe will probably be a better receiver long term but that does not mean that Ginn cannot be a valuable player. I dont see Ginn as a probowl receiver but I do see him as a solid second option at some point that will be a huge asset on special teams. Devin Hester's success more than anything influenced this pick, Cameron tried forward thinking and it just did not turn out like he had hoped. That being said Ginn needs to work hard on his game because at some point he will need better production or he may turn into a bust.

We need to replace Chad Pennington, he is himdering our receivers.
Never have heard such total BS. If anything Chad is making these receivers look better than they actually are. I dont think I have ever seen any qb gert a 97 rating with the ilk of receivers that we have overall. Henne is a good prospect but obviously they felt better about pennington. let him do his job.He actually has been our most consistent offensive performer.

Ronnie Brown is the best back in the league-
Wont spend much time on this. Stats are not everything but he is 21st in the league in rushing and right on pace with his 4.3 average. At this rate he will just miss a 1000 yards rushing. Sorry if this pisses people off but you cannot claim someone is the best without at least one tangible stat to back it up.

Jason Allen deserves to start-
Im not sure why people think that various staffs just have it out for this guy. Im sure they would love to start him but its obvious they are not impressed with his play if he is still on bench in year 3.

We can challenge for the playoffs-
As much as I would love that and anything is possible we are 2-4 and have tons of holes in a division with some good teams. we are still in last place even with improved play and a beatdown of the Pats. That being said in football or any other sport , any given year teams step up that people dont expect. I mean how many thought Tennessee was a playoff team.


Im sure there are many more but I figured I would address a few .

 

[SpaceMountain16]

Time to play everyone's favorite game show. Perception versus reality.
I will examine many ideas on that come across on this board and look at facts versus feelings.


Ted Ginn is a bust- I will admit I did not want to draft Ginn at 9 and would have booed with the crowd when he was chosen but he is a second year player that is actually starting. He has 20 receptions and his biggest drawback is the lack of big plays and his paltry 8.9 reception average with no TD's. Its not Ted Ginn's fault that we had a moron running the show that passed on other players to choose a guy that in this year's draft would have likely been a second rounder. I think Dwayne Bowe's success as a later draft pick really irks many people that want to pounce on Ginn. I think we might as well accept that Bowe will probably be a better receiver long term but that does not mean that Ginn cannot be a valuable player. I dont see Ginn as a probowl receiver but I do see him as a solid second option at some point that will be a huge asset on special teams. Devin Hester's success more than anything influenced this pick, Cameron tried forward thinking and it just did not turn out like he had hoped. That being said Ginn needs to work hard on his game because at some point he will need better production or he may turn into a bust.

We need to replace Chad Pennington, he is himdering our receivers.
Never have heard such total BS. If anything Chad is making these receivers look better than they actually are. I dont think I have ever seen any qb gert a 97 rating with the ilk of receivers that we have overall. Henne is a good prospect but obviously they felt better about pennington. let him do his job.He actually has been our most consistent offensive performer.

Ronnie Brown is the best back in the league-
Wont spend much time on this. Stats are not everything but he is 21st in the league in rushing and right on pace with his 4.3 average. At this rate he will just miss a 1000 yards rushing. Sorry if this pisses people off but you cannot claim someone is the best without at least one tangible stat to back it up.

Jason Allen deserves to start-
Im not sure why people think that various staffs just have it out for this guy. Im sure they would love to start him but its obvious they are not impressed with his play if he is still on bench in year 3.

We can challenge for the playoffs-
As much as I would love that and anything is possible we are 2-4 and have tons of holes in a division with some good teams. we are still in last place even with improved play and a beatdown of the Pats. That being said in football or any other sport , any given year teams step up that people dont expect. I mean how many thought Tennessee was a playoff team.


Im sure there are many more but I figured I would address a few .

Well you make some very good points in this post, and i agree with you on Brown, Allen and the Dolphins playoff chances (although i expected Tennessee to be a playoff team with their 10 win playoff season last year and impressive defense). I also agree than Pennington doesn't "hinder" the receivers abilities, but i do think it's pretty safe to say he isn't able to utilize them. Not that these receivers don't need improvement, because they do, they are just too inconsistent to resemble to receiving corps of a legitimate playoff team.

But Pennington even as a vast improvement over our previous QB's on this team just does not get the WR's in the game. The quality of his throws over 3-5 yards drops TREMENDOUSLY especially if you watched the Ravens game where he was floating passes all day and was way off in his accuracy. I think some people are ridiculous though. People who want to bench Pennington when he clearly has done nothing to merit that treatment, he is efficient and safe with the ball and with no viable replacement and the season still not over how you can bench Pennington is beyond me. You let him play until the we're out of contention and Henne (or Beck) is ready. Then you have an open competition for the starting job next year.

 

[Rev Kev]

No RB is not the + of LT in his prime..., but he has plenty in his tank to exceed 1,000 yards a season for a few years...

 

[dlockz]

Well you make some very good points in this post, and i agree with you on Brown, Allen and the Dolphins playoff chances (although i expected Tennessee to be a playoff team with their 10 win playoff season last year and impressive defense). I also agree than Pennington doesn't "hinder" the receivers abilities, but i do think it's pretty safe to say he isn't able to utilize them. Not that these receivers don't need improvement, because they do, they are just too inconsistent to resemble to receiving corps of a legitimate playoff team.

But Pennington even as a vast improvement over our previous QB's on this team just does not get the WR's in the game. The quality of his throws over 3-5 yards drops TREMENDOUSLY especially if you watched the Ravens game where he was floating passes all day and was way off in his accuracy. I think some people are ridiculous though. People who want to bench Pennington when he clearly has done nothing to merit that treatment, he is efficient and safe with the ball and with no viable replacement and the season still not over how you can bench Pennington is beyond me. You let him play until the we're out of contention and Henne (or Beck) is ready. Then you have an open competition for the starting job next year.

I hear what you are saying. I must say Im quite dissapointed that we have such a poor group at Wr. I also think next year henne is the starter, he was almost the starter this year. As for Beck he had his chance in the offseason to impress and he fell on chart so I doubt he is in any true competition.

Also gotta love how I get one star on this thread. Its like certain people see my name on a thread and just press the hater button lol. This part was not directed at you. I see some downright silly threads get 5 stars.

 

[dlockz]

No RB is not the + of LT in his prime..., but he has plenty in his tank to exceed 1,000 yards a season for a few years...

Did not say anything to disagree with that. i have said repeatedly that Brown is a good back.

 

[GoonBoss]

Looks like a pretty solid analysis to me.

 

[dr.jake]

2008 REALITY.
we ain't sniffing the playoffs.

 

[Vaark]

Color me pleasantly surprised and satisfied with Pennington, but objectively speaking, while our underproductive WRs can't be blamed on his "hindering" them, the fact remains that whether or not they can get to or catch the ball downfield, they should be commanding the kind of field-stretching coverage that would boost our running and slot passing games. With a stronger-armed QB no matter his or the WRs skill levels, there'd be a lot less cheating and as such, more opportunities to pick up 3rd and longs than we've been able to convert.

As far as Ronnie being an elite vs. merely "good" QB, just how many of those elite RBs actually have as a handicap, a QB with Chad's arm limitations?

Ginn is considered a bust because of where he was picked and whom he was selected in lieu of. The reality is that he'll probably never become an elite Steve Smith type receiver, and does need to watch a bunch of Heinz Ward tapes, but he can be a very effective attention-diverting #2.. and if we gave up on him, I have little doubt he would when picked up on a team with a Campbell, DelHomme, Cutler strong armed QB where he doesn't need to be the main focus.

 

[dlockz]

Color me pleasantly surprised and satisfied with Pennington, but objectively speaking, while our underproductive WRs can't be blamed on his "hindering" them, the fact remains that whether or not they can get to or catch the ball downfield, they should be commanding the kind of field-stretching coverage that would boost our running and slot passing games. With a stronger-armed QB no matter his or the WRs skill levels, there'd be a lot less cheating and as such, more opportunities to pick up 3rd and longs than we've been able to convert.

As far as Ronnie being an elite vs. merely "good" QB, just how many of those elite RBs actually have as a handicap, a QB with Chad's arm limitations?

Ginn is considered a bust because of where he was picked and whom he was selected in lieu of. The reality is that he'll probably never become an elite Steve Smith type receiver, and does need to watch a bunch of Heinz Ward tapes, but he can be a very effective attention-diverting #2.. and if we gave up on him, I have little doubt he would when picked up on a team with a Campbell, DelHomme, Cutler strong armed QB where he doesn't need to be the main focus.

I dont know but Adrian peterson and Frank Gore have got it done with pure crap at QB.

 

[Vaark]

I dont know but Adrian peterson and Frank Gore have got it done with pure crap at QB.

Yes and no... whether accurate or not, there's no denying that Jackson, Frerrotte, Smith and O'Sullivan carry drivers in their golf bags. Bottomline: if you send 3 receivers out who can end up deep down field and the DC makes the decision not to cover them, he'll soon be lunching with Linehan and Brian Stewart.

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[dlockz]

Yes and no... whether accurate or not, there's no denying that Jackson, Frerrotte, Smith and O'Sullivan carry drivers in their golf bags. Bottomline: if you send 3 receivers out who can end up deep down field and the DC makes the decision not to cover them, he'll soon be lunching with Linehan and Brian Stewart.

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I understand your reasoning but a bad qb with a strong arm does not do alot to convince teams to abandon trying to stop the run. Teams are not lining up on us like in 2002 because weak armed or not pennington can still hurt you.

 

[hugoguzman]

Time to play everyone's favorite game show. Perception versus reality.
I will examine many ideas on that come across on this board and look at facts versus feelings.


Ted Ginn is a bust- I will admit I did not want to draft Ginn at 9 and would have booed with the crowd when he was chosen but he is a second year player that is actually starting. He has 20 receptions and his biggest drawback is the lack of big plays and his paltry 8.9 reception average with no TD's. Its not Ted Ginn's fault that we had a moron running the show that passed on other players to choose a guy that in this year's draft would have likely been a second rounder. I think Dwayne Bowe's success as a later draft pick really irks many people that want to pounce on Ginn. I think we might as well accept that Bowe will probably be a better receiver long term but that does not mean that Ginn cannot be a valuable player. I dont see Ginn as a probowl receiver but I do see him as a solid second option at some point that will be a huge asset on special teams. Devin Hester's success more than anything influenced this pick, Cameron tried forward thinking and it just did not turn out like he had hoped. That being said Ginn needs to work hard on his game because at some point he will need better production or he may turn into a bust.

We need to replace Chad Pennington, he is himdering our receivers.
Never have heard such total BS. If anything Chad is making these receivers look better than they actually are. I dont think I have ever seen any qb gert a 97 rating with the ilk of receivers that we have overall. Henne is a good prospect but obviously they felt better about pennington. let him do his job.He actually has been our most consistent offensive performer.

Ronnie Brown is the best back in the league-
Wont spend much time on this. Stats are not everything but he is 21st in the league in rushing and right on pace with his 4.3 average. At this rate he will just miss a 1000 yards rushing. Sorry if this pisses people off but you cannot claim someone is the best without at least one tangible stat to back it up.

Jason Allen deserves to start-
Im not sure why people think that various staffs just have it out for this guy. Im sure they would love to start him but its obvious they are not impressed with his play if he is still on bench in year 3.

We can challenge for the playoffs-
As much as I would love that and anything is possible we are 2-4 and have tons of holes in a division with some good teams. we are still in last place even with improved play and a beatdown of the Pats. That being said in football or any other sport , any given year teams step up that people dont expect. I mean how many thought Tennessee was a playoff team.


Im sure there are many more but I figured I would address a few .

More or less agree with everything you said, but here my two cents on a few things:

1) Brown is developing a nose for the endzone, which will quickly put him into elite status if he can sustain that trend over time. He's also one of the most punishing runners in all of football (the only one in his league and perhaps more bruising is Brandon Jacobs). If he can continue to score, build up the yards per carry a bit and continue to break off the occasional monster run (like he did against the Patriots) he really does have a chance to become a top 5 back. Oh, and he needs to stay healthy (but we all know that's a given)

2) I think that Ginn can meet or surpass Bowe's production, but only if Bowe stays shipwrecked with crap quarterbacking in Kansas City. Either way, I think that Ginn will eventually be a steady contributor. I'm just not sure that it will be here in Miami because he doesn't necessarily fit the mold of a "Parcells guy."

3) I have no problem with letting Henne play in garbage time or once the Dolphins are mathematically eliminated from postseason contention.

4) Color me insane, but I really think that Allen will eventually be a starter in this league. That said, I don't think that he'll ever be a special player, which is what you would expect out of a first-round pick at safety.

5) Playoffs or not, Miami is not a Super Bowl contender and won't become one until we find a true franchise quarterback. Hopefully, it's Chad Henne.

P.S. I gave you some stars to make you feel better : )

 

[3rdandinches]

The QB is not helping our WR's if 80% of the time he goes to the TE or RB's. Pennington is helping the team by keeping his mistakes to a minimum, but he hurts the offense with limiting our options on pass plays.

Ginn can't be a bust if the team doesn't use him correctly, if he had 10 balls thrown his way aper game and could only muster a couple of catches then he would be a bust. The coaches decision to take him off returns wasn't because he couldn't do it they wanted a different approach to the return game. We all saw when he was put back in to return kicks there was more excitement and a couple real good returns by him.

Ginn catches almost everything throw his way that is catchable, that doesn't sound like or look like a bust to me. He's a bust in some people's eyes because they expect a player to be a probowler right away and can't except that the WR position takes time to grow into. Would Ronnie Brown be a bust if we never ran the ball?

The bottom line is until Ginn is used in a correct manner on offense he's just wasted talent and we can't afford to waste any talent that we have.

 

[WVDolphan]

Ive thought Tennessee was a QB away from being a legit title contender for the past couple of seasons. Fisher has done an outstanding job putting that squad together. That D is ridiculous and their OL will beat the hell out of you.

They have the D and the rushing attack to get it done. All they needed was a decent QB the last couple years to be a first round bye caliber team IMHO. Now, they have a decent QB with Collins. Im not sure if he is quite good enough to lead them to a title, but he is certainly decent enough and a HUGE upgrade over Young that he could take them to an AFC title shot.

They are the most physical team in the league and have been for a couple of seasons on both sides of the LOS. That beast they have in the middle of their DL is the best in the business. They have since added some playmakers at safety and IMHO have the best D in the league.

With that OL and that nice 1,2 punch at RB they have what it takes to win it all so long as Collins can manage the game ala' B.Johnson with Tampa and Dilfer with B'more.

Tennessee winning is no shock to me. Had they kept Young in there, I wouldve thought they were once again around a 10-11 win team with no real shot to win in the playoffs. Garbage play at QB can kill your team even if everywhere else you are as good as it gets.

 

[Phantom]

Did not say anything to disagree with that. i have said repeatedly that Brown is a good back.

What has Brown done when not running out of the gimmick offense, the wild cat? Which, now that teams have film on, is not producing like it did the first few games.