Perspective...

[NBP81]

I was at the game and didnt get a chance to re watch the game yet. I think Tua had better games to say the least but alos noted how little separation there was from his receivers.

First thing I notice this morning checking nextgen is that Tua threw the ball much deeper than usual on average at 9.6. Whether that was the original gameplan or a function or trailing early, no idea?

Looking at the SEP, Tua's targets had a defender within 1 yard on 33% of his throws which is very high, even for the Fins... For reference sake, 6 QBs have had 33% agg% or more during a game this season and 5 of them have a rating between 17 and 55 in those games. That QB rating, not QBR.

This doesnt mean I think Tua had a good game tbh, watched the game live and didnt pay much attention to replays and all... But my observation that the receivers couldnt separate all game long was correct.

 

[GhostArmOfMarino]

I was at the game and didnt get a chance to re watch the game yet. I think Tua had better games to say the least but alos noted how little separation there was from his receivers.

First thing I notice this morning checking nextgen is that Tua threw the ball much deeper than usual on average at 9.6. Whether that was the original gameplan or a function or trailing early, no idea?

Looking at the SEP, Tua's targets had a defender within 1 yard on 33% of his throws which is very high, even for the Fins... For reference sake, 6 QBs have had 33% agg% or more during a game this season and 5 of them have a rating between 17 and 55 in those games. That QB rating, not QBR.

This doesnt mean I think Tua had a good game tbh, watched the game live and didnt pay much attention to replays and all... But my observation that the receivers couldnt separate all game long was correct.

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If your receivers don't have separation you still don't throw into double and triple coverage.

Throw the ball away or at least throw it to a guy with no separation 1v1 and not double or triple covered.

Also take into account that Mike and Devante aren't separation receivers. They are big targets who win fights consistently, their small separation is like larger separation from other players. Our separation stats as a team will always be lower with that style of WR.

Not saying either is incapable of separating, just that it's not their game.

 

[fishbanger]

TUA made some bad throws
Also made some great throws downfield over 10 yards
TUA continues to show he is a 4th qtr gamer
Him and burrow this week. A win is good
Mac jones loss
Hebert loss
TUA will need a great game against saints
And waddle. Dont play hunter long this week

 

[EasyRider]

You know most of these novice fans on this site who really don’t know much about the game would disagree. On Tv you could clearly see very little separation and it looked like Tua was trying to force the ball yesterday because he didn’t have his safety valve in Waddle. I’m not worried to say the least because I know Tua is better and smarter than those two throws. Hunter really didn’t do much to help on the pass thrown to him.
This will definitely be game where Tua learns from.
Marino, Montana, Young, the Manning’s etc all had games like this well into their careers.
But then again, you’re arguing with Madden Football experts here

 

[mrbunglez]

I saw the same damn thing yesterday live. Tua had a bad game, but the jets game plan was to stop Tua and his short and intermediate throws by putting 7-8 DBs on the field. It worked for the most part because those receivers got little to no separation, those DBs were on the WRs hips all day. A lot of those throws were in tight, double, or even triple coverage, showed how much Tua and this offense missed a guy like Waddle.
Good thing about Tua is he learns, digests, and corrects his mistakes.

 

[Dolfan Dave]

Tua wasn't on his A game but he still made some big time plays. I think the Jets made some good adjustments in their game plan from last game which made things tougher on us.

After the pick 6 which came after an awful decision to fake punt and bad route by Hunter Long who showed up in the boxscore for 2 holding penalties, Tua came back and led a TD drive. He didn't fold, he answered.

Keep in mind we were down two starting WR and had an RB off the streets. I'm guessing Gaskins and Ahmed were still sucking some wind too. We won.

 

[mrhankey81701]

Not going to make too big of a deal out of today's game tbh. Bye week, against a division rival. Two of the best teams in the NFC laid absolute duds (Arizona and TB). Two bad throws really. 1) was similar to the interception Tua had last game against the Jets just an awful throw all around. 2) bad throw but jeez that play call was bad in the situation. A 5 yard hitch to your 5th string TE lined out wide against the Jets corner???? In that situation, with the lead and around your own 20 the last thing you can do is call/throw something like that. Those hitches/comeback routes are the ones that lead to pick 6s. Jets corner was 100% right to gamble on it and obviously paid off big time. I doubt the corner was worried about our 5th string rookie TE pulling a double move on him and getting beat deep.

 

[Lionstone]

I saw the same damn thing yesterday live. Tua had a bad game, but the jets game plan was to stop Tua and his short and intermediate throws by putting 7-8 DBs on the field. It worked for the most part because those receivers got little to no separation, those DBs were on the WRs hips all day. A lot of those throws were in tight, double, or even triple coverage, showed how much Tua and this offense missed a guy like Waddle.
Good thing about Tua is he learns, digests, and corrects his mistakes.

The Jets game plan was to take away the passing game. You are absolutely correct about that. The truth is there is one receiver on the team that can consistently get separation. Without Waddle, Tua had to take his best shot at fitting the ball in to very tight Windows. I was impressed that he continued to fire it in to the tight Windows. I agree that it was a learning opportunity for Tua, but I think the OC needs to learn from this situation as well. Too many of the play calls had no chance from the snap.

 

[MARINO1384]

Mack Hollins played? I didn’t see him at all lol

 

[ONole1]

If your receivers don't have separation you still don't throw into double and triple coverage.

Throw the ball away or at least throw it to a guy with no separation 1v1 and not double or triple covered.

Also take into account that Mike and Devante aren't separation receivers. They are big targets who win fights consistently, their small separation is like larger separation from other players. Our separation stats as a team will always be lower with that style of WR.

Not saying either is incapable of separating, just that it's not their game.

So I am confused. Don't throw if separation isn't there, but your two main targets yesterday are not separation receivers. So you are saying don't throw to Parker and Geisicki? No wit, then you say they fight for it and win consistently. Last year the complaint was he doesn't throw to 50/50 ball. Good lord I am confused...

It wasn't his best day yesterday, but without Waddle there was pretty much zero separation with receivers yesterday. He also made some really great throws yesterday. If he didn't throw into coverage yesterday he may have only thrown 3-4 passes.

 

[claytonduper]

Ironically, our line played the best this season. There were actually real pockets, albeit still not enough time on many pass plays. The extra DBs could explain our success in the running game. IF we have somehow found our running game (Duke and Lindsey) we will be much better poised to withstand the weather heading into the playoffs. Yes, if we get in we are going to NE, Nashville or KC.

Tua had a sub-par game. He kept fighting and made plays when he needed. Despite his "off day" his team scored 31 points. This is way above our season average. Can't score points if you don't sling the rock and that comes with some risk. With Waddle returning our receivers will again have more separation.

 

[Lionstone]

Ironically, our line played the best this season. There were actually real pockets, albeit still not enough time on many pass plays. The extra DBs could explain our success in the running game. IF we have somehow found our running game (Duke and Lindsey) we will be much better poised to withstand the weather heading into the playoffs. Yes, if we get in we are going to NE, Nashville or KC.

Tua had a sub-par game. He kept fighting and made plays when he needed. Despite his "off day" his team scored 31 points. This is way above our season average. Can't score points if you don't sling the rock and that comes with some risk. With Waddle returning our receivers will again have more separation.

I am glad he was aggressive with his throws. The Jets‘s game plan was to take away the passing game because we never showed the ability to run consistently. I do believe the game plan was a good learning experience for Tua, and I thought the game showed progress from earlier in his career. We still moved the ball through the air despite the consistent focus on denying the pass by our opponent.

 

[Vaark]

Tua is hard-wired with a Winner's DNA. And from a team standpoint, it has become infectious!

 

[tommyp]

TUA made some bad throws
Also made some great throws downfield over 10 yards
TUA continues to show he is a 4th qtr gamer
Him and burrow this week. A win is good
Mac jones loss
Hebert loss
TUA will need a great game against saints
And waddle. Dont play hunter long this week

after seeing hunter long play i think we better sign gesicki..
although you do need to see more of Long but signing gesicki is a must

 

[srdnaty]

I noticed how Tua seemed to be throwing deeper. Yes his completion percentage dropped, but I was happy to see it because I think it will be good for his development. He seemed to have more time to actually throw as well. It wasn’t pretty when throwing deep overall, but he had a few great looking throws.