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Peter King Article from this week

The trouble with giving up 3 1st rounders for Luck is you've then (hopefully) got the QB but how can you hope to compete with the elite teams that already have the QB ?

Take Green Bay for example. They already have the QB. They already have a better roster than us. Then if you do that deal they have 3 more 1st round picks than us. The gap between them and us at the end of all that would be enormous. Realistically to be a Superbowl contender not only do need to have the QB but you need to get him for a reasonable price so that you have the resources to get a good supporting cast
 
Wildbill3 said:
ould you give up three number ones for marino? manning? brady? rogers? but we have hindsight to thank on those players, production. 3 number ones for potential?
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:facepalm:

Yes (3) 1s for Luck is a bargain. Using your logic we could bomb on those next (3) first rounders. We have tried your way of doing things for 20 years and it hasn't worked. Trying to get lucky and get a QB later in the draft has proven futile. Some people never learn.

I'll even make this easier for you - would you trade Odrick, Pouncey, V. Davis for Luck? I would.

Would you throw in P. White, Misi, D. Thomas? That is our entire 1st and 2nd round drafts for the last 3 years. It would be a bargain. They have given us 7-9 +7-9 + maybe 2-14 over the last 3 years and the future isn't looking bright.
 
Rugby said:
as much as I want to suck for Luck, I still want to win tonight. If we lose and badly, I think Sparano will be gone by Tuesday.
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And who takes his place? Mike Nolan? It's not like 2004 when Wannstedt was let go and Jim Bates stepped in. At that time, the defense was the only good part of the team and Bates was putting a quality product on the field with Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor. This year, Mike Nolan's squad just doesn't have it (although I certainly hope they do tonight.)

No, I think Sparano survives the year and that's it. Thanks for the effort, sorry it didn't work out and good luck elsewhere in 2012. And that goes for Jeff Ireland, too.

Michael
 
whatever it takes. I personally don't see us winning with Moore so maybe it just works out that we don't give up anything.
Keep the 3 #1's and suck worse than the rest.
 
If you give up 3 1s to move up a couple spots... what does the leave to improve the team around the kid ?
I think we can all agree that the team needs more than just a franchise QB.
Also keep in mind next years draft is a bit of unchartered water as far as trading up. I suspect that the value chart that coaches have been using for years goes out hte window with the rookie wage scale.
The last few years the trend was to look to trade out of the first few picks due to the cost of signing the pick - that incentive isn't there any more.
 
phishxhead said:
:facepalm:

Yes (3) 1s for Luck is a bargain. Using your logic we could bomb on those next (3) first rounders. We have tried your way of doing things for 20 years and it hasn't worked. Trying to get lucky and get a QB later in the draft has proven futile. Some people never learn.

I'll even make this easier for you - would you trade Odrick, Pouncey, V. Davis for Luck? I would.

Would you throw in P. White, Misi, D. Thomas? That is our entire 1st and 2nd round drafts for the last 3 years. It would be a bargain. They have given us 7-9 +7-9 + maybe 2-14 over the last 3 years and the future isn't looking bright.
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Not all draft classes are created equal.
With Jones and maybe Barkley then you have guys that on any other year are the #1 pick.
This is a good class with multiple guys that could be legit.
 
I"m looking at it the other way: if we end up #1, I might not be adverse to getting 2 1st rounders and more ...plus either Landry Jones or Matt Barkley for the pick.
 
trojanma said:
could be legit.
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That is the problem - could be. Luck is supposed to be as sure a thing as Elway/Manning. I would rather remove as much risk as possible and get the guy we want instead of settling for and crossing our fingers and hope.
 
trojanma said:
Not all draft classes are created equal.
With Jones and maybe Barkley then you have guys that on any other year are the #1 pick.
This is a good class with multiple guys that could be legit.
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Don't forget RGlll At Baylor. I hate the Jets but this is an important loss for us to keep up with the Colts. The late Manning surgery (Why did they wait until May??) and the Indy team out after 1 year of his $20million a year deal is proof positive to me that they set this up for a shot at Luck before the season started and having Jim Tressel as a coach to evaluate the talent says to me they are going to do what every it takes to get Luck and after the season fire Caldwell and have Tressel primed and ready to go. Sticks out like balls on a dog! But don't forget the Broncos. Trading Brandon Lloyd and starting Tebow seems like they are gearing up for a serious run too.
 
phishxhead said:
That is the problem - could be. Luck is supposed to be as sure a thing as Elway/Manning. I would rather remove as much risk as possible and get the guy we want instead of settling for and crossing our fingers and hope.
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I appreciate that. If we have the #1 pick there will be no debate. Take Luck.

The problem with Peter King's logic is that you don't know what would have happened if Denver would have paid the kings ransom people are expecting these days.
There were other options available in that Draft. They could have simply stayed put and taken Dan Marino or Jim Kelley.

John Elway or Jim Kelley/Dan Marino + 3 extra picks.
Remember Elway didn't win the Super Bowl until he had Terrell Davis.

Vaark,
Your scenario is certainly intruiging, but it would be so unpopular that people would probably burn the Joe Robbie down.
It's probably what Belicheck would do.
 
phishxhead said:
:facepalm:

Yes (3) 1s for Luck is a bargain. Using your logic we could bomb on those next (3) first rounders. We have tried your way of doing things for 20 years and it hasn't worked. Trying to get lucky and get a QB later in the draft has proven futile. Some people never learn.

I'll even make this easier for you - would you trade Odrick, Pouncey, V. Davis for Luck? I would.

Would you throw in P. White, Misi, D. Thomas? That is our entire 1st and 2nd round drafts for the last 3 years. It would be a bargain. They have given us 7-9 +7-9 + maybe 2-14 over the last 3 years and the future isn't looking bright.
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past picks are no prediction for future picks. esp when you consider we'll have a new coach and a new gm next year. and stop with the dramatics, did I say I wouldn't trade the picks? did I say i would? You have no idea where I even stand on the issue, I was just playing devil's advocate.
 
Vaark said:
I"m looking at it the other way: if we end up #1, I might not be adverse to getting 2 1st rounders and more ...plus either Landry Jones or Matt Barkley for the pick.
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you're thinking of the eli manning/rivers draft. worked out great for the giants, remains to be seen if the chargers will benifit from it. (and by benifit I mean a super bowl win, not statistics.)
 
phishxhead said:
:facepalm:

Yes (3) 1s for Luck is a bargain. Using your logic we could bomb on those next (3) first rounders. We have tried your way of doing things for 20 years and it hasn't worked. Trying to get lucky and get a QB later in the draft has proven futile. Some people never learn.

I'll even make this easier for you - would you trade Odrick, Pouncey, V. Davis for Luck? I would.

Would you throw in P. White, Misi, D. Thomas? That is our entire 1st and 2nd round drafts for the last 3 years. It would be a bargain. They have given us 7-9 +7-9 + maybe 2-14 over the last 3 years and the future isn't looking bright.
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We have picked a QB in the 1st round exactly twice in our history. Both when to the HOF. Niether was the 1st overall pick. Trying to find one in later rounds is a crap shoot as we have seen. Giving up 3 1st round picks would ensure our new QB has little supporting cast around him for years.
I would rather have 3 potential pro bowl players than one even if his name sounds Lucky.
 
Vaark said:
I"m looking at it the other way: if we end up #1, I might not be adverse to getting 2 1st rounders and more ...plus either Landry Jones or Matt Barkley for the pick.
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I've thought the same, which is why I want the #1 pick period. Six months from now the draft landscape could be a lot different then it looks today. Better to have the #1 in your pocket than not, especially as the rookie wage scale has made the cost of such a pick more palatable to the team holding it.

Next April maybe the consensus pick will still be Luck, or maybe he lobbies against us taking him ala Eli Manning & Junior Seau with the Chargers, ironically on different sides of that particular issue.
 
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