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PFF Ranks Dolphins OL at #14

The intensity and flame height of the dumpster fire must a critical metric...
 
Southbeach 2 said:
As I said in the OP, you need to understand the basis of their rank on the OL, and the same of all team ranks. It is based on individual grades, which are not the same as a group or team's success or failure. You can have three All Pro HOFers on the OL but, if the other two suck, the OL as a whole is going to have problems. We've seen that in pass protection. The interior was fine but, Clabo and Martin were far from it.
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True; however, PFF has Martin graded as slightly below average (-3.0), and Clabo graded as somewhat worse (-7.6). Notable tackles who are graded worse than Clabo are Eric Winston, Levi Brown, Lane Johnson, and Eric Fisher.

I don't think the grades of Martin and Clabo fit with a view of the line as catastrophically bad, and singlehandedly responsible for whatever perceived discrepancy there is between how Ryan Tannehill is playing and how he "could be" playing.
 
shouright said:
True; however, PFF has Martin graded as slightly below average (-3.0), and Clabo graded as somewhat worse (-7.6). Notable tackles who are graded worse than Clabo are Eric Winston, Levi Brown, Lane Johnson, and Eric Fisher.

I don't think the grades of Martin and Clabo fit with a view of the line as catastrophically bad, and singlehandedly responsible for whatever perceived discrepancy there is between how Ryan Tannehill is playing and how he "could be" playing.
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Martin's grade is-6.9, and Clabo's -8.2. The notable OT's are having horrible years, and have been worse than Clabo.

To explain further, PFF ranks Pouncey as the #8 C, Cog as the #9 LG, Jerry as the #13 RG, Martin as the #25 LT, and Clabo as the #27 RT. This includes run, pass, screen and penalties. If you add their ranks together, you have 82, divided by the 5 players gives you an average of #16. Then you have to add in the play of Garner, McKinnie, Brenner, etc, and do the same for every other team. PFF does it with grades, pretty much the same but, this is easier to understand.

So, if you disagree with their overall rank of the OL, You must disagree with the good and/or bad ranks/grades of the players to adjust to what you believe based on how they do it.
 
Southbeach 2 said:
Martin's grade is-6.9, and Clabo's -8.2. The notable OT's are having horrible years, and have been worse than Clabo.

To explain further, PFF ranks Pouncey as the #8 C, Cog as the #9 LG, Jerry as the #13 RG, Martin as the #25 LT, and Clabo as the #27 RT. This includes run, pass, screen and penalties. If you add their ranks together, you have 82, divided by the 5 players gives you an average of #16. Then you have to add in the play of Garner, McKinnie, Brenner, etc, and do the same for every other team. PFF does it with grades, pretty much the same but, this is easier to understand.

So, if you disagree with their overall rank of the OL, You must disagree with the good and/or bad ranks/grades of the players to adjust to what you believe based on how they do it.
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Right. I was talking about pass blocking, exclusively, in PFF's ratings of Martin and Clabo I mentioned above.
 
Southbeach 2 said:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...econd-quarter/

PFF has the Phins OL graded at a negative 0-1 for the year but, this places them at #14 in the NFL, and if you click on "first quarter" you will see that they had us at #21 for the first quarter of the season. ARE THEY FRAKIN NUTS?

This is not answered as easily as one would think. They grade and rank OL's by the blockers doing what they are asked to do, including how long the QB holds the ball as well as the RB's hitting the holes, and do not over-rate the sacks. They also do the same for every OL in the NFL, and there are MANY a bad OL on the field this year.

I focus on the OL every time I watch the game the second time, and can see their grade on how they base it. It's not on the OL as a whole but the individual play averaged out.

Pouncey and Cog have high grades and ranks, and Jerry is above average. On the other side, Clabo and Martin have low grades, and the subs like Garner, Brenner, and now McKinnie have played well.

When you add them all together, it should average out to around a 0 or average but, this does not tell the tale of the OL as a group in it's overall play as 5 average guys would likely be better as a whole.

Your opinion?
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Yeah, in my 12 team fantasy league!
 
Southbeach 2 said:
Watching film is what they do, and how they grade. It takes up to 10 hours to grade a team for one game.
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Not sure how many people work for PFF but I've always had a problem with their subjective ratings
and I have doubts they spend upwards of 20 hours per game evaluating both teams.

As a team sport where players/schemes effect each other it is not like baseball where one player at bat doesn't effect another
and in my opinion you'll never get accurate subjective stats for the NFL.

Why don't you just trust your eyes instead of relying upon someone in their basement who you have no clue who they are,
what kind of football experience/football IQ they have and trust their subjective opinions...no thanks I'll watch the game instead
 
Power rankings, player ratings, etc. all interesting stuff I'm sure but I still prefer to go by the teams win/loss record.
 
Middle of the pack? Well, we are .500 right now, a bubble playoff team, and sitting at something like 18 if the draft were today. Sounds about right.
 
Southbeach 2 said:
Watching film is what they do, and how they grade. It takes up to 10 hours to grade a team for one game.
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14th in the league??? 2 rushing yards in a game...maybe they should take 11 hours grading teams.
 
Southbeach 2 said:
So, if you disagree with their overall rank of the OL, You must disagree with the good and/or bad ranks/grades of the players to adjust to what you believe based on how they do it.
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Or you can disagree with the notion that averaging the grades of the 5 players makes sense. On a single play, if 4 of the 5 destroy their opponent and the 5th whiffs on a block, the grade on that play for the OL collectively might be pretty good. It may also result is a sack.

Football outsiders rank the Dolphins OL 29th in pass blocking.
 
The more I think about it, the dumber it seems to aggregate the run blocking and pass blocking grades of the OL together. There are a number of things lacking in the approach such as:

1. If a team has negative scores for pass blocking by the guards and positive scores by the tackles and another team has exactly the opposite, which is better?
2. Which combination of scores for LT_LG_C_RG_RT is better and why? -10_-10_0_10_10 or 0_0_0_0_0
3. Would grades of -10_-10_0_10_10 be better for run blocking or pass blocking?
4. Which is worse poor run blocking grades on a team that doesn't run much or poor run blocking grades on a team that runs a lot? Same for pass blocking.

There are many other examples.
 
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