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PFF's signature stats rates QB's on their standard grades but, on their signature stats they add deep passing, under pressure, play action, time to throw, sacks, drops, yards in the air, etc, etc, and a partridge in a pear tree. Their top 20:

1. Peyton
2. Rodgers
3. Rivers
4. Wilson
5. Brees

6. Cutler
7. Romo
8. Brady
9. Stafford
10. Big Ben

11. Ryan
12. TANNEHILL
13. Kaepernick
14. Glennon
15. Bradford

16. Newton
17. A Smith
18. RG III
19. Dalton
20. Palmer

21. Luck

I'm sure ther will be debate and discussion on this with many other stats brought in individually to prove a point one way or the other. However, the one thing PFF has done is to watch on film each and every one of Tannehill's 859 snaps this year, and his 1001 snaps last year ( he ranked #16). This is the eyeball test to an extreme, and takes into account who did what on each play when grading what RT did.

They also do the same for each QB listed above. There is a human element here but,I don't know of any computers with working eyeballs, and believe this to be pretty much accurate.
 
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impossible, many experts here tell me to even compare Tannehill to Luck is laughable...
 
rent this space said:
impossible, many experts here tell me to even compare Tannehill to Luck is laughable...
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Agreed, on Finheaven Andrew Luck is already the best there is, best there was and best there ever will be. Like I said in another thread I think Luck is very good but he's definetly the most overrated non Dolphins player in the history of Finheaven. I've seen posts on here that would lead you to believe Luck's Colts are 13-0 and he leads the league in every major QB category.
 
rent this space said:
impossible, many experts here tell me to even compare Tannehill to Luck is laughable...
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I did a fairly complete comparison of the two a few weeks ago with many different stats. It was not saying who was better, just that they were really close in the years they were having. Some still went by name recognition and it did not matter. Sure we will see some of the same here.

Luck has struggled of late without a #1 WR. Reminds me some of RT last year.
 
I've had Andrew Luck on my Fantasy team and he was AWFUL the past 5 weeks. Only this past week did he begin to break out of his funk a little, but the Colts still lost by double digits.
 
Looks like RT17 is breathing down Melty's neck. If the Fins ever got to the point where postseason criteria got graded, the likelihood is that M. Ryan would be craning his neck looking up at Ryan T
 
Luck's yards per completion are way down this year, more than a yard. His completion percentage is up a few percentage points but still not great.

He's below 7 yards per attempt but it includes victories over Seattle, Denver and at San Francisco, combined with 11-6 last year. If Tannehill had Luck's winning percentage or 4th quarter heroics then the stats wouldn't be as meaningful. The problem here has been that the winning percentage hasn't been great, the stats are nothing special, yet Tannehill is the beneficiary of every wild upward adjustment and projection.

Much more often that not, something like that will not hold up. Average wins and average stats and 20 points per game equate to average.

The only adjustment I'm comfortable with is that we've hampered Tannehill with too few rushes and too much shotgun. Part of that is on him. He should be demanding a more balanced and play action heavy attack.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Part of that is on him. He should be demanding a more balanced and play action heavy attack.
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Okay. Now I've read everything. A 2nd year QB should be demanding...... sounds like RGIII and his honeymoon is ending.

You really are working too hard to find things wrong with Tanny. Did you lose a bet or something?
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Luck's yards per completion are way down this year, more than a yard. His completion percentage is up a few percentage points but still not great.

He's below 7 yards per attempt but it includes victories over Seattle, Denver and at San Francisco, combined with 11-6 last year. If Tannehill had Luck's winning percentage or 4th quarter heroics then the stats wouldn't be as meaningful. The problem here has been that the winning percentage hasn't been great, the stats are nothing special, yet Tannehill is the beneficiary of every wild upward adjustment and projection.

Much more often that not, something like that will not hold up. Average wins and average stats and 20 points per game equate to average.

The only adjustment I'm comfortable with is that we've hampered Tannehill with too few rushes and too much shotgun. Part of that is on him. He should be demanding a more balanced and play action heavy attack.
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Pff's eyeball test is not really a stat nor is it wild. For example, and this is me not them, I would not have given RT much of any good grade on the Hartline bomb last year. Anyone could have thrown it but, it did spike his YPA. On the other hand, I would have given RT a high grade on his incomplete TD to Matthews when he got nailed in the back of the end zone on a blown call.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
Luck's yards per completion are way down this year, more than a yard. His completion percentage is up a few percentage points but still not great.

He's below 7 yards per attempt but it includes victories over Seattle, Denver and at San Francisco, combined with 11-6 last year. If Tannehill had Luck's winning percentage or 4th quarter heroics then the stats wouldn't be as meaningful. The problem here has been that the winning percentage hasn't been great, the stats are nothing special, yet Tannehill is the beneficiary of every wild upward adjustment and projection.

Much more often that not, something like that will not hold up. Average wins and average stats and 20 points per game equate to average.

The only adjustment I'm comfortable with is that we've hampered Tannehill with too few rushes and too much shotgun. Part of that is on him. He should be demanding a more balanced and play action heavy attack.
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This reflected here, in WPA:

http://wp.advancednflstats.com/playerstats.php?pos=QB
 
NBP81 said:
Ever since you've tried convincing people Bess was a playmaker with that stat as some kind of evidence, I laugh out loud every single time you bring it back up...
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And every time someone says something like what you just did with regard to the stat, I chuckle mildly. ;)
 
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