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Dr. Phin said:
Why are you worrying about Philbin before we even know what he produces on the field?
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This is the topic of the article and thread.

If Philbin doesn't produce something decent this year, he and Ireland should go. I don't want Ireland sticking around because "a coach might be good if given more talent", if the moron selecting the "so-called" talent is useless. If you don't get rid of Ireland...it wouldn't matter who coaches.
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I am talking about if Miami does so so, which is what most media members and fans here expect. Right? Probably enough for Philbin to deserve a second year, but probably not enough for fans not to yell and scream for Ireland to be fired. If Ross gives in to public pressure and fires Ireland, suddenly Philbin is on shaky ground. That is what I am saying, Philbin is most likely tied to Ireland. I don't think it will be a problem because I think Ross is looking at the entire current structure as starting over and a clean slate for Ireland. Some won't like that, but I think it is reality. You don't fire one individual(Sparano), keep the other half(Ireland) just to fire them one year later. The rebuilt front office includes Ireland for at least a few years. Baring a complete collapse of a 1 or 2 win team.
 
Nublar7 said:
This is the topic of the article and thread.

I am talking about if Miami does so so, which is what most media members and fans here expect. Right? Probably enough for Philbin to deserve a second year, but probably not enough for fans not to yell and scream for Ireland to be fired. If Ross gives in to public pressure and fires Ireland, suddenly Philbin is on shaky ground. That is what I am saying, Philbin is most likely tied to Ireland. I don't think it will be a problem because I think Ross is looking at the entire current structure as starting over and a clean slate for Ireland. Some won't like that, but I think it is reality. You don't fire one individual(Sparano), keep the other half(Ireland) just to fire them one year later. The rebuilt front office includes Ireland for at least a few years. Baring a complete collapse of a 1 or 2 win team.
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I think Ireland had a clean slate before the fan unrest. I have a feeling that the conduct from the fans this offseason may have shocked Ross. Having a protest staged in front of your training complex is extremely embarrassing.
 
Casas9425 said:
I think Ireland had a clean slate before the fan unrest. I have a feeling that the conduct from the fans this offseason may have shocked Ross. Having a protest staged in front of your training complex is extremely embarrassing.
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Yeah, I think Ireland had a clean slate the moment it was announced he would be involved in the coaching search. The protest was embarrassing, more so for those fans that did it than Ireland. If Ross was going to give into fan outrage, Ireland would have been gone before the coaching search. Ireland is Ross' guy and Philbin was the collective hire from both Ross and Ireland. We need to view the current structure as being a new structure that has a clean slate.
 
Dr. Phin said:
Why are you worrying about Philbin before we even know what he produces on the field? If Philbin doesn't produce something decent this year, he and Ireland should go. I don't want Ireland sticking around because "a coach might be good if given more talent", if the moron selecting the "so-called" talent is useless. If you don't get rid of Ireland...it wouldn't matter who coaches.
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What is 'something decent' to you?
 
Nublar7 said:
This is the topic of the article and thread.

I am talking about if Miami does so so, which is what most media members and fans here expect. Right? Probably enough for Philbin to deserve a second year, but probably not enough for fans not to yell and scream for Ireland to be fired. If Ross gives in to public pressure and fires Ireland, suddenly Philbin is on shaky ground. That is what I am saying, Philbin is most likely tied to Ireland. I don't think it will be a problem because I think Ross is looking at the entire current structure as starting over and a clean slate for Ireland. Some won't like that, but I think it is reality. You don't fire one individual(Sparano), keep the other half(Ireland) just to fire them one year later. The rebuilt front office includes Ireland for at least a few years. Baring a complete collapse of a 1 or 2 win team.
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I know what you're saying. But if we don't do well enough for Ireland to stay...then Philbin should go.

Once again I ask...why worry about Philbin? He hasn't done one thing as an HC. You are just assuming that he will be some great coach.
 
Dr. Phin said:
9-7...a winning record
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9 and 7 says we are heading in the right direction so everyone is save. Another losing effort and everyone is back on the hot seat including Philbin. Like Nub said Philbin is tied to Jeff. A new GM would want his own guy. Sucks for our new coach but i sure he knows this.
 
nyjunc said:
don't believe some silly article, Woody LOVES Rex so even if they had another bas season(not likely to happen) he'd be safe. It would have to be a complete disaster for him to lose his job, a 3-13/4-12 type of season w/ more leaked foot fetish videos.
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Of course, because why would an 8-8 team that lost their last 3 games, ever have a bad season......
 
Coaches like players usually take about 3 years to get it down if they are NFL quality!
 
Nublar7 said:
If they hire a new GM who has the same type of power Ireland has right now, yes Philbin's job is definitely on the line. The reason Jackson was fired in Oakland was because McKenzie wanted HIS guy. Plain and simple.
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I was told Hue Jackson was on the outs even before McKenzie was hired. It wasn't because McKenzie wanted "his" guy. Hue Jackson had made enemies within the Raiders organization as well as the locker room.
 
I'm not saying it's inconceivable for a new GM to want his own hand-picked Head Coach. It happens. Certainly when Bill Parcells came in as acting General Manager until he actually hired his own General Manager, it was a foregone conclusion that Cam Cameron was going to be a goner, and that Parcells had already hand-picked Sparano for the job.

But Hue Jackson is a bad example of this phenomenon. Reggie McKenzie was very much involved in the hiring of the next coach, but the gears were already well in the works on firing Hue Jackson. Hue had seized power in the vacuum that came about after Al Davis died, forced through the Carson Palmer trade at a "whatever it takes" price tag, and I think that rubbed some people in the organization the wrong way. Later in the year I think some players were also rubbed wrong by Hue. He made enemies, and those enemies were working to get him fired before McKenzie was hired.

When a new General Manager comes on board with a team that just hired a Head Coach only the previous year, I think it's generally understood that coach is the guy for now. Maybe the new GM would ultimately like to pick his own guy, but he comes in knowing that the guy in place already has the first crack and only when/if he fails does the new GM get a chance to hire someone.

Joe Philbin would not only have to lose as bad as Cam Cameron to get fired like Cam did, he would have to rub everyone wrong from the get-go like Cameron did. Cam Cameron arguably rubbed people wrong way before he was even hired. I remember he was interviewed for a first interview and the Dolphins were frustrated because ON PAPER it looked like the perfect hire, because they wanted to set up this triangle where Randy Mueller picks the talent, Cam Cameron is the head coach of the offense, and Dom Capers is the head coach of the defense. But Cam was highly underwhelming in the interview and they couldn't reconcile those things. They asked him back for a second interview and it was pretty well communicated (to both the press and doubtless to Cam himself) that they needed him to show them that he really wanted it, they needed to feel some authority from him. They had trouble feeling that authority from him but they kind of fooled themselves (my opinion) into thinking they felt it in that second interview. Wonder of wonders, the players had that exact same trouble trying to feel any kind of authority from Cameron, and they were all making fun of him behind his back by halfway through the year (I do remember an acquaintance on here posting that at the Halloween party even Zach Thomas was taking part in throwing dirt at Cameron, following Jason Taylor's lead).

So far I'm not getting any of that awkward feel from Philbin. You know the feeling. Just plain awkward. Every time Cam Cameron was at the podium you felt like he was either going to cry or proselytize, he just had this creepy bad motivational speaker vibe, like a religious youth group leader who used to whore himself out in alleyways for crack money and then found Jesus. I mean, very first press conference he's asked a simple question about Drew Brees, I forget what but it was totally harmless, not quite "what was Brees' favorite meal" but maybe something like "how has coaching Drew Brees affected your coaching style" or something like that...and the man just bursts out in tears. There's sensitive, but that was on the order of Brendan Fraser's character in Bedazzled when he wishes to be a more sensitive guy. Yuck. I'm sure the players got that same creepy, non-authoritative, limp noodle feel from him a lot more often than those press conferences and/or announcements of drafting a great punt returner along with his great family.

I just don't get that feel from Joe Philbin, and absent that same disastrous feel, absent a 1-15 season, or maybe even with a 1-15 season, I don't see him fired in 2013 no matter what happens to Ireland.
 
ckparrothead said:
Joe Philbin would not only have to lose as bad as Cam Cameron to get fired like Cam did, he would have to rub everyone wrong from the get-go like Cameron did. Cam Cameron arguably rubbed people wrong way before he was even hired. I remember he was interviewed for a first interview and the Dolphins were frustrated because ON PAPER it looked like the perfect hire, because they wanted to set up this triangle where Randy Mueller picks the talent, Cam Cameron is the head coach of the offense, and Dom Capers is the head coach of the defense. But Cam was highly underwhelming in the interview and they couldn't reconcile those things. They asked him back for a second interview and it was pretty well communicated (to both the press and doubtless to Cam himself) that they needed him to show them that he really wanted it, they needed to feel some authority from him. They had trouble feeling that authority from him but they kind of fooled themselves (my opinion) into thinking they felt it in that second interview. Wonder of wonders, the players had that exact same trouble trying to feel any kind of authority from Cameron, and they were all making fun of him behind his back by halfway through the year (I do remember an acquaintance on here posting that at the Halloween party even Zach Thomas was taking part in throwing dirt at Cameron, following Jason Taylor's lead).
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Thank you for posting this bit of behind-the-scenes info. Obviously it's all water under the bridge at this point, but it strongly confirms my firm conviction that Huizenga was a horrible owner who never made the right move for this franchise. He is, by far, the primary culprit for the decline and fall of the Dolphins.
 
IMO, there's enough questionable reasoning behind some of his rankings to raise questions about why the author even wrote this. Just write an article on "the top five coaches on the hot seat" or something, dude!!!!

I agree with the OP that Ross isn't a flighty fool that the author of the article claims he is. That he allegedly "missed" on big name coaches and players doesn't mean that he's the next Al Davis. I think Ross will follow Ireland's counsel for at least a couple of years. If the Fins are still struggling after 2 seasons, then Philbin might be on the hot seat, but that all depends upon the reason(s) for the struggle.

I do think that Rex Ryan's seat is a whole lot hotter than any other AFCE coach, so 28 is about right IMO. I don't agree with the reasons for it, however. Jabba is gonna take the fall for Jests' GM Mike Tannenbaum, although Ryan gets his share of the blame, too. Plain and simple, I think the Jests' offense is going to suck. They simply don't have the personnel to be a run first team because their OL has deteriorated and their starting RB is mediocre at best. That's mostly on Tannenbaum, but Jabba has treated the offense as his red-headed stepchild all during his tenure. If the Jests D doesn't hold opponents to less than 2 TDs, I think the Jests are gonna struggle to win many games.

I think that Chan Gailey's seat is warmer than it was in February, but only luke-warm at best. I think 24 is too high but maybe 20 or 21, primarily because of the high expectations that are beginning to permeate Bills fandom -- and even the players -- post OTA and minicamp. Then, again, Gailey has a track record of making the most of his talent, and for the first time in his tenure in Buffalo, he has an ample amount of it on both sides of the ball.

Belichick could probably go 0-16 and still need a blanky under his tush.
 
Kinzua said:
IMO, there's enough questionable reasoning behind some of his rankings to raise questions about why the author even wrote this. Just write an article on "the top five coaches on the hot seat" or something, dude!!!!

I agree with the OP that Ross isn't a flighty fool that the author of the article claims he is. That he allegedly "missed" on big name coaches and players doesn't mean that he's the next Al Davis. I think Ross will follow Ireland's counsel for at least a couple of years. If the Fins are still struggling after 2 seasons, then Philbin might be on the hot seat, but that all depends upon the reason(s) for the struggle.

I do think that Rex Ryan's seat is a whole lot hotter than any other AFCE coach, so 28 is about right IMO. I don't agree with the reasons for it, however. Jabba is gonna take the fall for Jests' GM Mike Tannenbaum, although Ryan gets his share of the blame, too. Plain and simple, I think the Jests' offense is going to suck. They simply don't have the personnel to be a run first team because their OL has deteriorated and their starting RB is mediocre at best. That's mostly on Tannenbaum, but Jabba has treated the offense as his red-headed stepchild all during his tenure. If the Jests D doesn't hold opponents to less than 2 TDs, I think the Jests are gonna struggle to win many games.

I think that Chan Gailey's seat is warmer than it was in February, but only luke-warm at best. I think 24 is too high but maybe 20 or 21, primarily because of the high expectations that are beginning to permeate Bills fandom -- and even the players -- post OTA and minicamp. Then, again, Gailey has a track record of making the most of his talent, and for the first time in his tenure in Buffalo, he has an ample amount of it on both sides of the ball.

Belichick could probably go 0-16 and still need a blanky under his tush.
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Chan has never won a playoff game in his career, he has won 10 games in 2 years as Buf's HC, they signed the biggest FA outside of Manning this offseason and re-signed a bunch of their own- how can he not be on the hottest seat in the division?

Rex has been HC for 3 years, been to 2 title games and had his worst season at 8-8. The Jets didn't make any big $ move-how is he on the hot seat?
 
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