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Not sure if any one mentioned this before but here is what Phil Simms said about Quinn and Beck on April 22, a week before the draft. When I first read this a week ago, I said to myself that Phil Simms must be crazy to think we'll pick Beck at #40. But he was dead on. I should have taken him more seriously...well he is an ex-NFL QB after all.

Link:
http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_football_dolphins/2007/04/simms_sizes_up_.html

Q: Can you talk about the mixed comments on Brady Quinn?
A: "I have a lot of mixed comments on him but I will give you the positive. He's going to play big. He's really strong. He's extremely self conscious and you know that by looking at his body. He's a leader. He's tough. He's played a lot of football. He knows a lot about pro football just playing for Charlie Weis and how they change protection.Those are all pluses. He's a pretty good, short ball thrower. He's a really average, down the field thrower. Very average and that bothers me. But in the NFL, if he throws on the run, I think he's really good throwing on the run and that's how he will survive. He will survive because he's big, he's tough, he knows how to lead people, he knows how to be a quarterback, and he'll move around. He'll make a few plays running around throwing because that's probably what he does best at this time. I will be surprised if he doesn't go high in the draft just because if you are certain teams you can't continuously keep passing on quarterbacks, the Raiders are one and the Cleveland Browns are the other one."

Q: Do you think the relationship between Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will impact Crennel's decision to draft Quinn?"
A: "It gives Romeo Crennel a chance to really get more information. Romeo is going to make a decision that is true to himself. I don't think Charlie can make that pick for him. Or Phil Savage or whoever makes the decision for Cleveland. I used to be a Brady Quinn fan big time. I didn't think he improved. Then as I really studied him, I saw some of the faults in the throwing. So many of the factors outweigh it; his size, his toughness, the fact that he is going to break a lot of tackles, those arm tackles in the pocket and all those kinds of things. He's a bigger, much bigger, more explosive, more dynamic Alex Smith and Alex Smith was the first pick of the draft."

Q: Do you think any of these criticisms on Quinn are fixable?
A: "I hear all this, 'We're going to do this and we're going to polish this guy up.' And it comes off as self-righteous but there are so few guys in pro football that can fix anybody. It's like a golfer who has a hitch in a swing. We know he has a hitch but can you really identify it and can you really fix it? Do you know how to do it? Do you know how to go about it and get it done? The answer is in the NFL or anywhere, there are so few of those guys. Don't ever think that teams are going to draft these guys and polish them up. They don't. The league moves so fast, they don't have time to fix them up. You have to be ready to go. I will be curious when he goes to the NFL how much it does get better. The one thing that works in all quarterbacks advantage in the NFL, you throw so much, you get so much work that just the tremendous amount of repetitions will make you better in that respect. A lot of things are positive for Brady Quinn, and I will be surprised if he's not the 3rd pick in the draft."

Q: How about Trent Edwards and John Beck, who might be there for the Dolphins in the 2nd round?
A: "They might get Beck there at the 40th pick. I'd say he's probably worth it. I like him a lot. Really good feet and can move around just enough. He can throw from all angles. He can flip it sidearm, he can it throw over hand, I love that about him. He's thrown the ball a lot and he played at BYU. To me, he's a pretty safe pick. He can play just about any system in the NFL. He can get the ball out of his hand. He's a much better athlete then I think people realize. I will be surprised if he doesn't go at least high in the 2nd and somebody might get nervous and move up really late in the first round. As I watched all of his tapes, I was really impressed."
 
Beck is a much more accurate passer than Quinn .. Beck is just plain smarter and a quicker decison maker .. Quinn gets rattled when he gets hit .. Beck doesn't .. Beck plays much better in tough situations .. Beck is cool under fire .. Whereas Quinn gets hot which makes him rattled and plays worse...............................................Beck also throws off his back foot exceptionally well.. Whereas Quinn does not have that ability.. Quinn has to be set to make a decent throw .. In the NFL, you have less time to throw with the pass rushes limiting your time to throw, so if you are in the NFL, you better know how to throw ACCURATELY with your back foot when blitzers are ready to take your head off , Cameron loves Beck's leadership abilities as well..............................................................................................................Plus Cameron loves Beck's quick release. Beck has the quickest release of any QB in the draft, and a quicker release than most NFL QB's playing now.. His release is almost as fast as Marino's was . Plus Beck has simply the best footwork of any QB in the draft .. He has better footwork than quite a few NFL starters .. And when you have great footwork, you have the proper balance to make the throws.. That's why Culpepper sucks, his footwork is awful and it hurts his balance into throwing those dumb interceptions. Beck is just technically sound, in mind and body .. Beck >> Quinn .


Oh man!! I was getting worried about our fans for a moment. Saturday was like someone coming out of nowhere to slap us and run. Now the sting is gone and everyone is coming to their senses.

Great Post!!!!
 
There are reasons this guy wasn't a top pick in the first round. If he was so great he would have been taken first round.

But then again Brady went in the 6th.

We'll see. I think we still need to sit him at number 2 or 3 on the depth chart. Give him a year to let the game slow down for him.
 
There are reasons this guy wasn't a top pick in the first round. If he was so great he would have been taken first round.

But then again Brady went in the 6th.

We'll see. I think we still need to sit him at number 2 or 3 on the depth chart. Give him a year to let the game slow down for him.

He'll sit for the first half of the season, for sure.

And what no one is really talking about is the pressure that Brady would have been under in Miami.

People are even now saying "we passed on the next Marino", etc, etc. Not only is this not fair to Quinn, its utterly insulting to suggest that the next Marino has big time accuracy problems.

I think people will be rightly patient with Beck. I don't think anyone would, or even could, be patient with Quinn. The expectations would have been too high.

I wasn't crazy about Quinn to begin with so maybe thats why this isn't so hard on me, but I think Beck has the skills and mindset we are looking for. He's very mature, very smart, and by all accounts, very coachable.

Now if we can improve our running game (with Ricky back) and our Oline can be better than it was at the first part of last season, I think he'll have a good chance to be successful.
 
Here's the way I see it, going into the draft the question was "after Russell and Quinn, who's the 3rd best QB?".

I think simply due to Quinn's Golden Domer status, he was given a lot of benefit of the doubt about his greatness. Beck, being from BYU and his age, wasn't given any latitude. I truly feel Quinn's hype was due to the man love for Charlie Weiss and the obligatory fan fare for any QB coming out of Notre Dame when the program is on the up and up.

After all was said and done, I truly believe this year's draft class, as a whole, was underwhelming. There was a few prospects, but as many analysts have said over the past months, even last year's crop of QB's were heads above this crop.

So, left with an underwhelming crop of talent, the hype machine kicked into overdrive to inflate the status of a few players. When the tale of the tape was read, the scouts and clubs simply didn't believe the Brady Quinn hype and he was drafted probably a little higher than he should have been.

Beck comes with no pressure, no hype and no savior status. After all is accounted for, Miami simply didn't believe Quinn was worth reaching for @ #9. Did they reach for Ginn? Sure. But, I'd rather reach at WR than at QB.

One last note, Ginn was a reach @ 9, but if you don't have any trade partners, you have to take him at your spot when you know he'll be gone later.

After all the trade rumors pre-draft, we watched the top part of the draft proceed in orderly fashion with clubs staying put. Which tells me there was no one of true value to make teams trade up. So, we simply drafted a need position and got one of the fastest men in the league. After the day was done, I'd say we did fairly well.
 
One last note, Ginn was a reach @ 9, but if you don't have any trade partners, you have to take him at your spot when you know he'll be gone later.

After all the trade rumors pre-draft, we watched the top part of the draft proceed in orderly fashion with clubs staying put. Which tells me there was no one of true value to make teams trade up. So, we simply drafted a need position and got one of the fastest men in the league. After the day was done, I'd say we did fairly well.
And if you believe the article in the Sun-Sentinel, Houston was ready to pick Ginn at #10. So, if we didn't get him at #9, then we weren't going to get him at all.
 
brady does have a higher chance to succeed as in ND the OL was bad and the defence too.....

with joe thomas and eric the left side of theOL is going to open some cracking holes for RB and hold his blind side up better then the OL he had in ND.Weiss going to be the shadow QB coach for a year.He is going to have less stress with the RB going .

SKills never translate to success in NFL its how the development is handled.Weiss and romeo are going to do a better job .with frye they always have a serviceable Qb.

Beck is being set up for a fall.He will never have anyone is learn from or in this case to fall back incase he is having a tough time to develop.He will pushed right in by week 6 and never given a chance for success.
 
He'll sit for the first half of the season, for sure.

And what no one is really talking about is the pressure that Brady would have been under in Miami.

People are even now saying "we passed on the next Marino", etc, etc. Not only is this not fair to Quinn, its utterly insulting to suggest that the next Marino has big time accuracy problems.

I think people will be rightly patient with Beck. I don't think anyone would, or even could, be patient with Quinn. The expectations would have been too high.

I wasn't crazy about Quinn to begin with so maybe thats why this isn't so hard on me, but I think Beck has the skills and mindset we are looking for. He's very mature, very smart, and by all accounts, very coachable.

Now if we can improve our running game (with Ricky back) and our Oline can be better than it was at the first part of last season, I think he'll have a good chance to be successful.

Can I get an 'AMEN'
 
Simms Is Probally The Best Analyst In Football Right Now.
 
brady does have a higher chance to succeed as in ND the OL was bad and the defence too.....

with joe thomas and eric the left side of theOL is going to open some cracking holes for RB and hold his blind side up better then the OL he had in ND.Weiss going to be the shadow QB coach for a year.He is going to have less stress with the RB going .

SKills never translate to success in NFL its how the development is handled.Weiss and romeo are going to do a better job .with frye they always have a serviceable Qb.

Beck is being set up for a fall.He will never have anyone is learn from or in this case to fall back incase he is having a tough time to develop.He will pushed right in by week 6 and never given a chance for success.

OK this just does not make a lot of since. One how is it Romeo is better at developing a QB then Cameron? Lets see QB's that Romeo developed Frye oh ya he is great. Cameron Brees, Rivers, Green. Cameron is know to be a great coach for QB's. Romeo was and is a defensive minded coach.
And u are counting on Thomas way to much I think also. Now I think that thomas will do great someday but do not count on a rookie coming day one and being great at LT, just don't happen much at all. A lot start out at RT then become LT's. While I think thomas will be at LT to start with he will have his rookie struggles. Last we have much better RB's then the Browns come now.
So I think u are 0 for 3 on the points u tried to make.
1. Mia's coaches are better then Cleveland's at developing QB's
2. There O-line is about the same as Mia's and we have much better RB's so a better running game.
3. QB's to fall back on lets see, Mia has C-pepp, and lemon (maybe Green) and what has Frye done in this league oh ya nothing what so ever.

Thank u for pointing out that according to ur theory's that Beck is in the better position to be a better QB.
 
Beck and Quinn have very similar stats. Both around 250 yards per game. Beck has 69% cmp %, Quinn has 61%.
Note: Harrington was 54.1% in college and the NFL.
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Any thoughts on Kevin Kolb... the guy picked in between these 2 qb's?

Stats on all the qbs:
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/career/careerOff110.html

Take a look at that Junior QB Colt Brennan from Hawaii. His "Worst Game" last year was 296 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT. Yikes. He looks like a first-rounder next year.
 
OK this just does not make a lot of since. One how is it Romeo is better at developing a QB then Cameron? Lets see QB's that Romeo developed Frye oh ya he is great. Cameron Brees, Rivers, Green. Cameron is know to be a great coach for QB's. Romeo was and is a defensive minded coach.
And u are counting on Thomas way to much I think also. Now I think that thomas will do great someday but do not count on a rookie coming day one and being great at LT, just don't happen much at all. A lot start out at RT then become LT's. While I think thomas will be at LT to start with he will have his rookie struggles. Last we have much better RB's then the Browns come now.
So I think u are 0 for 3 on the points u tried to make.
1. Mia's coaches are better then Cleveland's at developing QB's
2. There O-line is about the same as Mia's and we have much better RB's so a better running game.
3. QB's to fall back on lets see, Mia has C-pepp, and lemon (maybe Green) and what has Frye done in this league oh ya nothing what so ever.

Thank u for pointing out that according to ur theory's that Beck is in the better position to be a better QB.


1.You are attributing so much in cam cameron who was the OC not the QB coach or the head coach.From your post the HC and QB coachs were non existence.Please their is a reason for position coach as they work with the QB`s.Ofcourse , RB coach ,OL coach,TE coach did crap too.
2 Did you say right now the OL of mia was great last year and they have improved the OL by great additions ?....did i hear it.Clevland brown had a bad line but Eric and Joe are going to improve it.when season comes we will see but i do not a similar mega effort to improve the line.RB`s are product of the system in NFL .
3 CPep - you mean the guy who was riding that stationary bike ?

My point is even if beck is more talented he is being set up to fail....if you sit him for more than a year as rivers maybe he will succedd but put him in week 6 and look for him to fail.
 
1.You are attributing so much in cam cameron who was the OC not the QB coach or the head coach.From your post the HC and QB coachs were non existence.Please their is a reason for position coach as they work with the QB`s.Ofcourse , RB coach ,OL coach,TE coach did crap too.
2 Did you say right now the OL of mia was great last year and they have improved the OL by great additions ?....did i hear it.Clevland brown had a bad line but Eric and Joe are going to improve it.when season comes we will see but i do not a similar mega effort to improve the line.RB`s are product of the system in NFL .
3 CPep - you mean the guy who was riding that stationary bike ?

My point is even if beck is more talented he is being set up to fail....if you sit him for more than a year as rivers maybe he will succedd but put him in week 6 and look for him to fail.

1.Well if you knew anything about Cameron you would know that he loves working with QB's and that is one of the things he is excellent at. Plus you reffered to Romeo not any other coaches when u said better coaching. And we have Terry Shea who is also well know around the league as a very good QB coach so yes we still have better coaching then the Browns as far as QB's go.
2. Where did I say anything about are o-line being great, I said they are about the same as the Browns which is true. You act like Thomas is going to walk on the field and be O. Pace. Not going to happen.
3. He may be hurt now but one legged he is still better then Frye. Plus we may get Green. Frye will never be a legit starter in the NFL if he was the Browns would have never wanted Quinn that bad at all.

And u just lost all credibility with the comment that RB's are only a product of a system. Yes good lineman help but you still have to be a good RB to be good. So according to u the Chargers would love to trade us LT for Booker cause if they are just a product of the system booker will put up the same #'s at a lot cheaper price. Wait I don't get why do teams even draft RB's I mean we can just sign anybody and if are system is good he will be good. Man that Barry Sanders all this time I thought he was good and now I just found out he was just a product of the Loins man what was I thinking.
 
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