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Philbin, et al; will be fired and it won't make any difference.

Alex Trevelyan

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Joe Philbin is dead man walking. He will be fired, the only question is when. He should of been fired 2 years ago after the Richie Incognito situation gave the present ownership grounds to do so, but ownership did nothing, then last year, in an almost surreal, clownish moment Stephen Ross vouched that Philbin would return for yet another year. This occurred only moments after the Fins barely beat a pathetic Vikings team. Ross uttered the following: "But I think we're building something here, and I believe in the coach." Mr. Ross's belief, accrues to his poor judgment, which he compounded in the off-season by hiring Mike Tannenbaum to run the front-office and before that Dennis Hickey. Philbin will be terminated sooner or later, but then what? It's not necessarily a question of who will replace Philbin, or even who will decide who replaces Philbin, it's a question of who is going to be responsible for the demolition and construction work that will need to follow as soon as this season ends.

This team has drafted poorly going all the way back to the Shula regime. It has abused and been abused by the free agency system, partly on account of the fact that we've drafted so poorly and partly on account of owners hellbent on making splashy off-season moves to sell declining season ticket packages. The present ownership isn't going anywhere. Let's say for the sake of argument Ross had managed to hire Jeff Fisher instead of Philbin, we'd be in no better shape today, in fact the team would be similarly inept as is evidenced by Fisher's incompetence in St. Louis, but Ross wanted Fisher even before he wanted Philbin. The man's judgment is almost unfathomably bad and age isn't going to improve it. When he bought the team he had reason and opportunity to clean out the front office, instead he kept them around and let the situation metastasize. Then when he finally rids himself of Ireland, he hires a new GM and insists that the GM keep the HC who was already showing signs of being the wrong guy. And now we've got Tannenbaum.

Tannenbaum was terminated by Woody Johnson, an owner noted for his Ross-like ineptitude after going 57-55 as the Jets' GM. He traded away 11 draft picks while in New York even though it's been proven empirically that trading away draft picks is an ineffective strategy for getting better. Trading up in the draft doesn't work. He drafted guys like Mark Sanchez and Vernon Gholston with top 6 picks! And compounded those debacles with guys like Kyle Wilson in the first and Vlad Ducasse and Stephen Hill in the second, Ducasse is now on his 3rd team in 5-years and Hill is now out of the league after being cut by the Jets after his second season! This is the man who in all likelihood, barring an epiphany by Stephen Ross, who will select the next head coach and then go about the task of rebuilding the team. Suh's signing has Tannenbaum's fingerprints all over it and whether or not you think Suh will be a good player at some point for this franchise, his benefit will never exceed his cost.

This is the reality we find ourselves trapped in. The Dolphins are now like the Colts under Robert Irsay; the Falcons under Rankin Smith or the Bucs under Hugh Culverhouse. We are that franchise now and without a change in ownership nothing will change. It could conceivably be worse. Ross is worse than Huizenga. You realize just how important ownership is in sports.
 
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Don't know that I agree 100%, but that's a heck of a post.

I think that right now our best chance to finally cheer for a winner is for the team to just flat out luck into hiring a great coach. I guess it could happen.
 
Yep. Ross is and has been the uncurable problem. Who are we kidding to believe we had a chance with that clown running things? The only choice he's made that's been positive is one he stumbled ass backwards into with Hickey and that hasn't been enough to offset the crippling Ireland and Philbin choices.
 
Four years wasted because Ross wanted Philbin. The sad thing is that the next regime will start with more holes to fill than Philbin did.
 
Yep. Ross is and has been the uncurable problem. Who are we kidding to believe we had a chance with that clown running things? The only choice he's made that's been positive is one he stumbled ass backwards into with Hickey and that hasn't been enough to offset the crippling Ireland and Philbin choices.

Well, he promptly overwrote that by bringing Tannenbaum into the picture. Seems like we're going one direction one year and another the next ... there's no plan for success. Just grasping at straws hoping we'll grab the right one.
 
This team has drafted poorly going all the way back to the Shula regime. It has abused and been abused by the free agency system, partly on account of the fact that we've drafted so poorly and partly on account of owners hellbent on making splashy off-season moves to sell declining season ticket packages.

good summary. Ireland set us back years and FA doesn't work
 
Well, he promptly overwrote that by bringing Tannenbaum into the picture. Seems like we're going one direction one year and another the next ... there's no plan for success. Just grasping at straws hoping we'll grab the right one.
Well said. I have been saying that to friends since Saban left. Only sheer luck will turn this franchise around at this point.
 
Here's my biggest concern: I think there are some really good pieces here around with to build. Unlike some, I think Tannehill is good, so long as this season doesn't mentally cripple him. We have a couple pretty good linemen (which tells you how bad the other three are). I think we are good at DT. I think the jury is out on the DEs, but I wouldn't write off Wake and Vernon just yet ... at least there are other positions that are more pressing needs. Jones and Grimes in the secondary are quality players. The receiving corps is good enough with which to win.

I think this could be turned around fairly quickly if they got a no-nonsense, tough-minded coach, someone like Bates I think could have been had he shed the interim tag. I've coach, albeit at the scholastic level, and I truly believe a team takes on the personality of its coach. I think the other thing that would go a long way to turning this around is a physical, play-making linebacker. I don't know what's out there in next year's draft, but I think if you put someone of an Offerdahl or a Brian Cox mentality or ability behind our DTs, it would make a world of difference, a guy that punished ballcarriers. And we need a decent LT.

From there, it's a matter of depth. Part of that is getting talent, but part of it is coaching guys up.

I just hope this doesn't turn into one of those situations you see so often these days where coaches come in and get rid of everything because they want "their" guys. I think that was part of the mess with Philbin hiring Sherman, and how many times do you see a coach unload talented players to get players they're familiar with. There are a couple of foundational guys here that can be big parts of a winning team if you have a coach that isn't afraid to incorporate them into his vision.
 
The Patriots can put on the Dolphins uniform and the ineptitude will continue. They are totally clueless from top to bottom!
 
Stephen Ross is the only owner that thinks adding levels of bureaucracy is a good thing. Wouldn't be surprised at all if he hired someone to fill the void between Tannenbaum and Hickey. I've said it before but the Phins organizational flow chart must be a doozy

I think Ross believes in Chiefs. There can never be enough chiefs and I don't mean the ones from Missouri
 
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