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Anyone who thinks newly hired, inexperienced Joe Philbin was given authority to make such a monumental personnel move, such as trading Marshall, is dreaming. Ireland traded for him and Ireland traded him away.

And please stop with the ridiculous "WCO doesnt need #1WR" stuff. People are only saying that because we dont have one.
 
Anyone who thinks newly hired, inexperienced Joe Philbin was given authority to make such a monumental personnel move, such as trading Marshall, is dreaming. Ireland traded for him and Ireland traded him away.

And please stop with the ridiculous "WCO doesnt need #1WR" stuff. People are only saying that because we dont have one.
you're making assumptions just like the rest of us. And the only people who actually "know" how much or how little philbin had to do with marshall's trade is philbin and ireland and ross.
 
you're making assumptions just like the rest of us. And the only people who actually "know" how much or how little philbin had to do with marshall's trade is philbin and ireland and ross.

Damn bill! I think I'm starting to feel away about you that ain't exactly straight! I can't believe we have dolphins fans STILL crying about Marshall...unreal
 
you're making assumptions just like the rest of us. And the only people who actually "know" how much or how little philbin had to do with marshall's trade is philbin and ireland and ross.
Ireland's job is to acquire talent, Philbin's job is to coach. This might be a different discussion if we were talking about established head coaches like Belichick or (formerly) Holmgren who are clearly in full control of their teams. Jeff Fisher turned us down because he wanted final say and wasnt granted it. Pretty sure Philbin didnt get it either.

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Damn bill! I think I'm starting to feel away about you that ain't exactly straight! I can't believe we have dolphins fans STILL crying about Marshall...unreal

What? He was JUST traded. Its not like we're talking about Wes Welker, who people STILL bitch about 5 years later.
 
imo, you can definitely see Philbin's influence in the draft so he is part of the process and I don't think Ireland makes that trade without some input by the coach.
also, the only reason people here talk about how a #1 WR isn't required in the WCO is because Philbin said it himself when they traded Marshall
 
imo, you can definitely see Philbin's influence in the draft so he is definitely part of the process. I don't think Ireland makes that trade without some input by the coach.
also, the only reason people here talk about how a #1 WR isn't required in the WCO is because Philbin said it himself when they traded Marshall
I didnt say he's not part of the process, he definiately is and should be. Im objecting to the thread name, the idea that this was his move.
 
Ireland's job is to acquire talent, Philbin's job is to coach. This might be a different discussion if we were talking about established head coaches like Belichick or (formerly) Holmgren who are clearly in full control of their teams. Jeff Fisher turned us down because he wanted final say and wasnt granted it. Pretty sure Philbin didnt get it either.

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What? He was JUST traded. Its not like we're talking about Wes Welker, who people STILL bitch about 5 years later.
My assumption is that if Philbin wanted marshall here, he'd still be here.
 
My assumption is that if Philbin wanted marshall here, he'd still be here.
My thoughts exactly. Personally I would love to still have him on the field on game days, but the trade does make sense. You have a new head coach who preaches high character on and off the field and you have a young rookie QB that is supposed to be the guy to build around. Marshall is a great talent, but his personality was very dangerous to put in the same room as Tannehill. It is different when you add him to a team with a veteran who is supposed to be the guy at QB, but not when that guy is a rookie.

Again, I would love to still have him on the team, but I totally understand the reasoning behind shipping him away.
 
Anyone who thinks newly hired, inexperienced Joe Philbin was given authority to make such a monumental personnel move, such as trading Marshall, is dreaming. Ireland traded for him and Ireland traded him away.

And please stop with the ridiculous "WCO doesnt need #1WR" stuff. People are only saying that because we dont have one.

People are saying that because that is what Philbin told us.
He said he wanted to spread it around and not feature one WR.
Straight from the horses mouth.
You shouldn't tell people to not say something unless you know the facts.
 
People are saying that because that is what Philbin told us.
He said he wanted to spread it around and not feature one WR.
Straight from the horses mouth.
You shouldn't tell people to not say something unless you know the facts.
Just to be clear, here is the quote:

"Part of the philosophy of the offense is to have balance," Philbin said Wednesday,
according to ESPN.com
. "We want our quarterbacks typically to have what we call progression reads, where they're not necessarily isolated on one specific individual. With that being said, we're going to play to our hot hand. We're going to certainly strive to create mismatches and take advantage of the guys that we do have. But the offense, once we install the passing game, is not necessarily built upon, 'OK, you're the No. 1 guy, you're the No. 2 guy, you're the No. 3 guy.' "

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...in-dolphins-dont-need-true-no-1-wide-receiver
 
I haven't found one. but... there is recent articles/video of our current WRs making comments about... the passing game won't be all about one guy anymore. I think he was traded not because philbin didn't want him on the team, not solely anyway, I think he was traded after philbin talked with the current players and got a feel for how they would feel if he was gone.

I can get behind that. you may very well be right... but I was just saying, I've read 100 posters say he was a cancer, and I've asked all 100 of them for a link, and I have gotten zero... (which obviously, you understand my point)... just saying it again..
 
I can get behind that. you may very well be right... but I was just saying, I've read 100 posters say he was a cancer, and I've asked all 100 of them for a link, and I have gotten zero... (which obviously, you understand my point)... just saying it again..
I don't think you'll find anyone saying he's a cancer, but like i've said, you have more than a few talking about team instead of one player. which to me, would be the polite way of saying they will miss what he brought to the field, but not so much the baggage that came with. Understand the type of players philbin wants is high character, hard working etc... and high character players don't badmouth teammates, former or otherwise.
 
Marshall is like a kardashian, nice packaging with no real substance. Maybe more like bud lite platinum. Marshall has a cool name and a really cool blue bottle but once you drink 2 or 3 you figure out it aint that much different from regular old bud lite. Marshall is all hype.
 
Think about the idea of a timed, precise short passing game, augmenting a running game that can not only get you the tough yards but has people who can take it to the house if they break into the secondary. Like the 80s 49ers. The defense will naturally come up and crowd the box. Now think of a tight end who can go long along the seam, and a blindingly fast SOB who can run past everybody in the box and catch the ball and he's gone.

Neither Hartline nor Bess is the fast SOB. But whoever he is, and for all we know he's already on the roster, he doesn't have to be a diva who always has to get the ball or he pitches a hissy fit in the locker room, and he doesn't have to be a guy who drops balls. The idea is to spread it around so the defense doesn't know whether to s*** or go blind. Marshall was antithetical to that idea, and that's why he's gone. If you want to call the fast SOB the number one, great. To me he's just the guy who can stretch the field. Gotta have one, but he's a cog in the machine, and it doesn't have to be Marshall, or someone like him.
 
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