Philbin - Wanna be Belicheat part 2

[Jersey DolFan]

I know you are all currently on Kool-Aid IV's and apparently all have some odd concept of "authority" or something that seems to really lavish in the idea of a "hard ass" coach, but i am sorry to say that i have a very different view.


Now, look, i was initially a big fan of Philbin, he seemed to have a good concept of "team" of a "two way street" etc etc, but i think it is pretty much just nonsense at this point.

If you really look at Philbin minus the offense all that - he seems a lot like Tony Sparano part 2 regarding the morale of the team etc.

He is ambiguous and does not disclose much about injuries.

Honestly, i know its mostly from hard knocks - but when he entered the QB room in the final scene etc - the guys and him really did not seem comfortable and to have any rapport, also with the Chad conversation about the press conference (which i thought was funny and enjoyed) he seemed stand offish and not really comfortable or naturual in his man to man rapport. Honestly, it seemed Tony had more rapport with this team.

Everyone has sighted the fact that the players "did not like tony" and the game "was not fun" etc. as reasons for the 0-7 start last season, and apparently when he loosened up is when they played better. Now i see Philbin restricting "fun" once again and i think it will lead to losses. Philbin is not McCarthy - he did not control the "pulse" of the packers and he did not even call plays. He cannot attribute EVERYTHING the packers did well to Philbin.

I felt and saw the team "deflate" after Chad Henne came in for Chad Pennington in 2010, just as i saw them get uplifted when he was named the starter and uplifted again before that KC game last year when they changed up the practice regimine etc.

right now - if you listen to most of the players interviews, read the practice reports etc - this team is DEFLATED, and there is definitely RESENTMENT toward Philbin and the front office. If you think this kind of thing makes guys want to play for you - then just revisit Tony S. and tell me im wrong.

I think this team is in for a serious implosion again this year if someone doesnt inject some more energy into that locker room and philbin doesnt loosen up.

The reason Belicheat gets respect is b/c the guy actually won and continues to win.

If you look at the saints - who obviously were filled with unethical @$$holes, the Steelers, who let big ben slide on way more serious accusations than Chad for saying a few curse words (in humor) and this one isolated incident with his wife, they win too, etc.

its not all about the patriot, belicheck, christian values type friggen nonsense, its about having a team that wants to play for you and respects you as well as values you as a head coach and leader.

i hope philbin wins games and i will continue to root for him - but i honestly have questions as to whether or not his person to person principals are going to do well for this team or any team for that matter.

as a side note - compared with all other hard knocks seasons - ours is kind of boring - i suspect its b/c of philbin and his overall philosophy, and probably Ireland as well.

 

[WVDolphan]

You find your reality TV show Hard Knocks to be boring this year because you want more Rex Ryan type bull**** and more Chad Johnson acting like a 12 year old, appealing to the low-brow comedy crowd, so therefore Philbin is a terrible coach. Sounds about right. Good point. :rolleyes2:

The Jests did great last year and they were entertaining enough to bring cheeseburgers to practice. Nice coaching there by Rex... "Lets go get a ****ing snack!"

 

[BigCityCat]

You have way too much time on your hands and care too much about this stuff. Plus this all just your opinion with no real facts as well. Just a ridiculous thread.

 

[joeharley666]

I know you are all currently on Kool-Aid IV's and apparently all have some odd concept of "authority" or something that seems to really lavish in the idea of a "hard ass" coach, but i am sorry to say that i have a very different view.


Now, look, i was initially a big fan of Philbin, he seemed to have a good concept of "team" of a "two way street" etc etc, but i think it is pretty much just nonsense at this point.

If you really look at Philbin minus the offense all that - he seems a lot like Tony Sparano part 2 regarding the morale of the team etc.

He is ambiguous and does not disclose much about injuries.

Honestly, i know its mostly from hard knocks - but when he entered the QB room in the final scene etc - the guys and him really did not seem comfortable and to have any rapport, also with the Chad conversation about the press conference (which i thought was funny and enjoyed) he seemed stand offish and not really comfortable or naturual in his man to man rapport. Honestly, it seemed Tony had more rapport with this team.

Everyone has sighted the fact that the players "did not like tony" and the game "was not fun" etc. as reasons for the 0-7 start last season, and apparently when he loosened up is when they played better. Now i see Philbin restricting "fun" once again and i think it will lead to losses. Philbin is not McCarthy - he did not control the "pulse" of the packers and he did not even call plays. He cannot attribute EVERYTHING the packers did well to Philbin.

I felt and saw the team "deflate" after Chad Henne came in for Chad Pennington in 2010, just as i saw them get uplifted when he was named the starter and uplifted again before that KC game last year when they changed up the practice regimine etc.

right now - if you listen to most of the players interviews, read the practice reports etc - this team is DEFLATED, and there is definitely RESENTMENT toward Philbin and the front office. If you think this kind of thing makes guys want to play for you - then just revisit Tony S. and tell me im wrong.

I think this team is in for a serious implosion again this year if someone doesnt inject some more energy into that locker room and philbin doesnt loosen up.

The reason Belicheat gets respect is b/c the guy actually won and continues to win.

If you look at the saints - who obviously were filled with unethical @$$holes, the Steelers, who let big ben slide on way more serious accusations than Chad for saying a few curse words (in humor) and this one isolated incident with his wife, they win too, etc.

its not all about the patriot, belicheck, christian values type friggen nonsense, its about having a team that wants to play for you and respects you as well as values you as a head coach and leader.

i hope philbin wins games and i will continue to root for him - but i honestly have questions as to whether or not his person to person principals are going to do well for this team or any team for that matter.

as a side note - compared with all other hard knocks seasons - ours is kind of boring - i suspect its b/c of philbin and his overall philosophy, and probably Ireland as well.

This thread is already a fail.

 

[MDphinfan02]

This whole "attack the post not the poster" thing is really holding me back...

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

You find your reality TV show Hard Knocks to be boring this year because you want more Rex Ryan type bull**** and more Chad Johnson acting like a 12 year old, appealing to the low-brow comedy crowd, so therefore Philbin is a terrible coach. Sounds about right. Good point. :rolleyes2:

The Jests did great last year and they were entertaining enough to bring cheeseburgers to practice. Nice coaching there by Rex... "Lets go get a ****ing snack!"

Standards of professional behavior are for squares, man.

 

[andyahs]

You seem to forget Bill Belichick was hated too early in his coaching career and I really cannot agree with most of what you say. It is way too early to form most of the opinions you have which have come about because you resented the release of CJ.

 

[SQuinn17]

Lol at this thread.

 

[SkapePhin]

Even Einstein would say this is overthinking things...

 

[Daytona Fin]

I wish we could merge all these "the sky is falling because i watched hard knocks and a meaningless preseason game" threads into one giant thread.

 

[Jersey DolFan]

The sky is not falling - i have never been one of those tools. They are the same ppl constantly relishing every player getting cut or traded and posting in escess of 10 times as many posts as me in a quarter of the time as a member of finheaven lol.

I never said the sky is falling - what i am saying is dont be so quick to have such a pleasant "sky" in the first place and dont act as if some level headed and warranted criticism of our coache's style is irrational, while absurd amounts of criticisms on the players is one of the most rampant things on this site.

my point about the preseason game was simply - do not act as if we have seen anything so great that the man cannot go either way at this point.

 

[AdamD13]

He is ambiguous and does not disclose much about injuries.

Name one head coach that engages in full disclosure of injuries?

Honestly, i know its mostly from hard knocks - but when he entered the QB room in the final scene etc - the guys and him really did not seem comfortable and to have any rapport, also with the Chad conversation about the press conference (which i thought was funny and enjoyed) he seemed stand offish and not really comfortable or naturual in his man to man rapport. Honestly, it seemed Tony had more rapport with this team.

Ever hear of context? Telling the QBs where they stand on the depth chart has to be one of the most uncomfortable conversations he must of had since becoming the HC. Yet, he did it face-to-face. Did you think that conversation would be ****s and giggles?

Everyone has sighted the fact that the players "did not like tony" and the game "was not fun" etc. as reasons for the 0-7 start last season, and apparently when he loosened up is when they played better. Now i see Philbin restricting "fun" once again and i think it will lead to losses. Philbin is not McCarthy - he did not control the "pulse" of the packers and he did not even call plays. He cannot attribute EVERYTHING the packers did well to Philbin.

From what I read the players liked Tony. They were calling each other out after the 0-7 start about not giving enough in practice.

Miami has a new HC, new OC, new DC, a bunch of young players on the roster, and have to operate under the new rules of the CBA that allows for limited practice time and you think coach Philbin should have a party time atmosphere out there?

right now - if you listen to most of the players interviews, read the practice reports etc - this team is DEFLATED, and there is definitely RESENTMENT toward Philbin and the front office. If you think this kind of thing makes guys want to play for you - then just revisit Tony S. and tell me im wrong.

Pure speculation the team is deflated and there is resentment. Again, players repeatedly said in the media they liked playing for Tony S...so I'll say it "You are wrong!"

Can you provide even "one link" they says Tony S. lost the respect of his players and control of the locker room?

I think this team is in for a serious implosion again this year if someone doesn't inject some more energy into that locker room and philbin doesnt loosen up.

i hope philbin wins games and i will continue to root for him - but i honestly have questions as to whether or not his person to person principals are going to do well for this team or any team for that matter.

New systems, new players, beginning of preseason. This is the time for players to work their asses off. Winning in the regular season will inject energy into the locker room.

This "let's have a pizza party" for practice mentality is what would blow up this team. I think Cam Cameron tried that approach...1-15 later.

 

[Zounds]

its not all about the patriot, belicheck, christian values type friggen nonsense, its about having a team that wants to play for you and respects you as well as values you as a head coach and leader.

In contrast, you have a Rex Ryan who went 8-8 last year. Coaches like that can fire up their players but their message wanes over the years. If you look at the coaches that are around for 10 or 20 years, like Shula or Walsh, they are the guys who command respect based on their actions, not attitudes.

 

[WVDolphan]

The Jets went to the AFC championship game that year. and i enjoyed ALL the other hardknocks not just the jets. You only keep referencing them b/c its a way to avoid my actual point and attack me on a broad based sentiment that dolphins fans have for the jets. You act "high brow"? with your stupid little cartoons in the sig? cut me a break.

1. I enjoy a decent bit of gutter comedy here and there, no question. However, not Chad Johnson. I said it before, he did make me laugh a couple of times. Problem is he was trying to make me laugh non-stop. He cant do it because childish stuff like he says is just not funny 24/7. Off topic but, another thing I liked about Philbin is I discovered he is a Seinfeld fan. You have to be to reference that leaving on a high note episode. Seinfeld is comedy for smart people. Good stuff.

2. I dont really understand what point you are making. I think youre suggesting Philbin is a dictator type coach. Personally, I dont see where you get that. Telling Chad Johnson to STFU is hardly qualification for a disciplinarian. 95% of the people involved in football or who watch football would like to tell Chad to STFU.

Where have you seen Philbin in other situations do something that suggest he is a nose to the grind stone hard ass?

3. Lets say that Philbin is a big time disciplinarian "no fun" guy as you say. Since when does that mean he wont be successful? Tom Coughlin got the biggest rap ever for that yet, when his players got their heads out of their asses and listend to the man, they win a couple Super Bowls. Granted, the man did seem to tone it down a little from what the players said, its still not as if he did a 180. He is still strict and they are still champs TWICE.

You could make a huge list of coaches who were viewed as disciplinarian types who had a ton of success in the NFL. Most people dont realize it, but Don Shula was viewed as one of the most strict coaches in the game, especially early in his career, which is of course when he had his biggest successes.

I dont think Tony was a strict disciplinarian at all. In fact, Vontae seems to be proof of it. Apparently, he has been getting away with his act for some time. Not only has it hurt our secondary, it hurts the WRs preperation in camp. They need Vontae to be as ready to play in camp as he is during the season so that they can go against a corner who is as good as what they will see when it counts.

Those kinds of things effect the entire team. Im glad Philbin is tougher on the players than Sparano if indeed he really is. This team needs that right now. They have been mediocre and let it be accepted for way too long. I dont want a coach who accepts mediocrity. I dont want a coach who lets a WR think its clown mode 24/7 and its ok to bust your wifes head open. Everyone likes to have fun, and there are times and places for it. I dont think Philbin is a "no fun" guy. He likes Seinfeld, so obviously he enjoys good humor. There are plenty of times when that is ok.

So what is really your issue? Break it down in a way we can understand. Its difficult to tell what youre driving at. It really seems like youre just butt hurt because OchoCinco got Ocho sies'd from the joint.

 

[Jersey DolFan]

In contrast, you have a Rex Ryan who went 8-8 last year. Coaches like that can fire up their players but their message wanes over the years. If you look at the coaches that are around for 10 or 20 years, like Shula or Walsh, they are the guys who command respect based on their actions, not attitudes.

True - but as i said - wins aid in that respect level, and as i said i am in fact rooting for philbin, but a few quick losses could drastically alter his legacy going forward if things unravel quicker.