1. I enjoy a decent bit of gutter comedy here and there, no question. However, not Chad Johnson. I said it before, he did make me laugh a couple of times. Problem is he was trying to make me laugh non-stop. He cant do it because childish stuff like he says is just not funny 24/7. Off topic but, another thing I liked about Philbin is I discovered he is a Seinfeld fan. You have to be to reference that leaving on a high note episode. Seinfeld is comedy for smart people. Good stuff.
2. I dont really understand what point you are making. I think youre suggesting Philbin is a dictator type coach. Personally, I dont see where you get that. Telling Chad Johnson to STFU is hardly qualification for a disciplinarian. 95% of the people involved in football or who watch football would like to tell Chad to STFU.
Where have you seen Philbin in other situations do something that suggest he is a nose to the grind stone hard ass?
3. Lets say that Philbin is a big time disciplinarian "no fun" guy as you say. Since when does that mean he wont be successful? Tom Coughlin got the biggest rap ever for that yet, when his players got their heads out of their asses and listend to the man, they win a couple Super Bowls. Granted, the man did seem to tone it down a little from what the players said, its still not as if he did a 180. He is still strict and they are still champs TWICE.
You could make a huge list of coaches who were viewed as disciplinarian types who had a ton of success in the NFL. Most people dont realize it, but Don Shula was viewed as one of the most strict coaches in the game, especially early in his career, which is of course when he had his biggest successes.
I dont think Tony was a strict disciplinarian at all. In fact, Vontae seems to be proof of it. Apparently, he has been getting away with his act for some time. Not only has it hurt our secondary, it hurts the WRs preperation in camp. They need Vontae to be as ready to play in camp as he is during the season so that they can go against a corner who is as good as what they will see when it counts.
Those kinds of things effect the entire team. Im glad Philbin is tougher on the players than Sparano if indeed he really is. This team needs that right now. They have been mediocre and let it be accepted for way too long. I dont want a coach who accepts mediocrity. I dont want a coach who lets a WR think its clown mode 24/7 and its ok to bust your wifes head open. Everyone likes to have fun, and there are times and places for it. I dont think Philbin is a "no fun" guy. He likes Seinfeld, so obviously he enjoys good humor. There are plenty of times when that is ok.
So what is really your issue? Break it down in a way we can understand. Its difficult to tell what youre driving at. It really seems like youre just butt hurt because OchoCinco got Ocho sies'd from the joint.
that "butt hurt" phrase - i've always seen as that odd homosexual type crap you see in those frat boy comedy movies - always weirded me out lol. anyway,
If you read my initial post in this thread - i never said it COULD NOT EVER WORK to be "tough" my point was that - coupled with wins it works, but prior to that, it largely can fail, and without wins coming soon enough to remedy the resentment, it can backfire horribly.
i specifically said i hope this team wins and if so then all will be fine, but if the team plays without heart b/c they resent the HC as they did with tony (again as it has been widley speculated anyway) it may translate to early losses, which could translate to early qb controversy which could translate to another bad HC tenure here.
i did not presuppose that my assertions were set in stone and that they were the only valid way to look at this situation.
i make no bones about it - i take serious issue with how ppl on this site in general talk about players etc. they can agree with me or not, it makes no difference. If you look back on any of my posts you will see me constantly defending players b/c i truely and unapologietically feel taht Americans are over-opinionated on things they know only marginally about and could not do any better or even close themselves.
People can say thats what they are paid for etc. fine - thats their opinion.
Its not just Chad Johnson, but I do honestly think that the LOVE and blood lust for him being cut really did irk me, mainly b/c this site is always discussing which "Scrubs" should be "cut" "traded" who "sucks" etc. yet, when we pick up a guy it is like 50/50 as to whether we should get behind him or whether he sucks and is a scrub in the first place.
You may not realize this - but most other fans in the NFL, and even dolphin fans outside of finheaven are not like this - and the dolphins organization in all my dealings with them as a patron have been first rate even above and beyond the giants.
Back to the point, I simply started this thread b/c i think an alternate opinion of Joe Philbins approach is warranted. You can agree or disagree. Everyone is cheering him on, and i am cheering him on to win games - but based on what i saw and my personal experience/opinion i have began to question Philbins whole "open door" "players coach" type facade, (if it is in fact a facade.)
it is simply an alternate opinion of philbins decision about the current situation, and about my general take on his philosophy overall. time will tell if im correct or not, and either way i hope the phins do great under philbin and hes here for that reason, for years to come. For instance, i've liked every press conference i've seen of philbin prior to today's - today, under some adversity etc. he seemed to be trying to "put his foot down" with the media as i think maybe he does with the players etc - yes i could be wrong but thats the "vibe" i got, and i didnt like it personally. Just a perspective.
P.S. i am a HUGE sienfeld and i hate "stupid" humor, but i did find Johnson funny, and i also like how he takes fans out to dinner etc. its a different context, but its not "wrong" neither of us and probably no one on this site knows the man so no one knows what kind of guy he is. anyway, philbins reference was so flat to the seinfeld thing it felt not even funny lol, now Omar Kelly, made a "sponge worthy" comment the other day on twitter and it was great!
Ever hear of context? Telling the QBs where they stand on the depth chart has to be one of the most uncomfortable conversations he must of had since becoming the HC. Yet, he did it face-to-face. Did you think that conversation would be ****s and giggles?
