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Los Dolfins said:
What would I have done? I would have noticed the games we gave up that caused us to be 8-8 and peter out at the end of the year. I would have taken the trade down and gotten James or same talent RT later.
I would have taken Clyde as my power runner. I would have taken a TE in the 3rd. then WR, ILB, G/C, CB in that order based on BPA with all the talent that was there.
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who is clyde?
 
jnewmant said:
who is clyde?
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Los Dolfins said:
Irrational exhuberance aside, as nobody knows how any of these players might pan out....the broad reactions that are unveiling about all these picks is that there may not be a single starter among them. Even if James starts, its more a testament to the poor and desperate condition of the fins OL talent level than James own draft stock being termed by many NFL analysts as a reach chosen due to NEED. Period.

Not a single player will move the needle on an 8-8 team that has had 5 years straight of losing seasons, and hasnt sniffed the playoffs in longer.

Not a single player will impact any AFC East rivals. Buffalo did the most damage by making a bold move to get the best player in the draft by most accounts.

Their isn't a single player across all rounds that Hickey is bringing in that will make any difference to Patriots on opening day, not one.

This team bares very little chance of contending for the AFC East much less being able to match up against Buffalo, NE, and even the Jets.

Put up your offensive chart and who scares you? nobody. Until and if Tanny can ever hit Wallace deep down the sideline, nothing will change simply because defenses are able to match up.

The OL is vastly different but unproven still at LG, RG, RT. The RB position is marginally improved with Moreno who has shown he puts the ball on the ground too often and still is not the downhill runner fins lack. Yes he brings more dependability in pass protection and can be a 3 down back but again not a game breaker or take-it-to-the-house speed. No other TE weapon to accompany Clay. Wallace is handled with physical CB play and is ineffective going across the middle, a pure clear-out receiver with a single trick to display. Hartline is a possession receiver and teams have chosen to keying on him as Wallace is not a threat except in Y routes. This leaves Clay as the only match up concern for opposing D's but thats still not enough.

Add to this Tanny's lack of long ball accuracy and no other proven experienced deep threat on the roster teams will have little trouble game planning against this offense, regardless of scheme.

On D, Hickey whiffed on any ILB's that can come in day one and at least challenge as the thumper in the middle. Sprinkle in a journeyman CB in Finny, who couples with another small CB opposite him and we will cause opposing offenses with 6'2and taller WR's and big-body WR's.

So, aside from plugging a hole at RT with a "reach" pick who many had graded in later rounds, and the lack of any balls moves to get a game changer on this talent starved roster, I cant see this team doing anything much different than .500 or so +/- a game here or there.

Contrast this with the turnarounds with the Colts, Seahawks, 49ers, and others where new HC's have made an immediate improvement in the talent of the roster and gotten their teams into the playoffs, I cant see Philbin being the guy who gets another year beyond next.

Where's the talent Hickey?
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You are pretty spot on. As an outside observer (Steelers fan) I am left shaking my head at this draft. You don't have a franchise QB and you passed on Manziel. The draft is deepest at WR yet you draft a shorter slower WR than either of your starters. Each pick needed to be home runs and all I saw were bunt singles. Sadly, the way Ross does things ass backwards, it will hard to get a good coach who is willing to go there next year. It's a sad franchise and nothing suggests it will turnaround anytime soon. Not until Ross sells which is probably not going to happen for a very long time. Miami will finish with 6 or 7 wins at best and be back in the top ten next year. Sucks for them there isn't a Manziel next year. Wow they blew that opportunity.
 
Los Dolfins said:
What would I have done? I would have noticed the games we gave up that caused us to be 8-8 and peter out at the end of the year. I would have taken the trade down and gotten James or same talent RT later.
I would have taken Clyde as my power runner. I would have taken a TE in the 3rd. then WR, ILB, G/C, CB in that order based on BPA with all the talent that was there.
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jrobitaille23 said:
You are pretty spot on. As an outside observer (Steelers fan) I am left shaking my head at this draft. You don't have a franchise QB and you passed on Manziel. The draft is deepest at WR yet you draft a shorter slower WR than either of your starters. Each pick needed to be home runs and all I saw were bunt singles. Sadly, the way Ross does things ass backwards, it will hard to get a good coach who is willing to go there next year. It's a sad franchise and nothing suggests it will turnaround anytime soon. Not until Ross sells which is probably not going to happen for a very long time. Miami will finish with 6 or 7 wins at best and be back in the top ten next year. Sucks for them there isn't a Manziel next year. Wow they blew that opportunity.
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Tanne had a better year than rapeburger even though tanne was sacked
like crazy. Give tanne time and he could become a franchise qb.
 
Los Dolfins said:
What would I have done? I would have noticed the games we gave up that caused us to be 8-8 and peter out at the end of the year. I would have taken the trade down and gotten James or same talent RT later.
I would have taken Clyde as my power runner. I would have taken a TE in the 3rd. then WR, ILB, G/C, CB in that order based on BPA with all the talent that was there.
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You don't know that James would have been available later. I have read that he was the best RT when we drafted him. Who's to say another team didn't want to take him? Don't listen to the talking heads - Hickey addressed the need that we needed. I have no complaints addressing our OL problem with our 1st round pick.

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Built2Win said:
Tanne had a better year than rapeburger even though tanne was sacked
like crazy. Give tanne time and he could become a franchise qb.
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No, he is not a franchise QB. Is he a good QB? Sure. But he has shown time and time again, with the open man he misses them. Can Tanny win us games? Sure. I'm not saying he's a bad QB, but he is not a franchise QB. He gets paid money to make decisions and passes, and he misses on solid opportunities far too often.
 
Sooner or later the Pats are going to go downhill. To say we cannot compete with them or we haven't drafted players to compete with them is pretty short sided. The Pat's defense couldn't stop anyone last year and Wilfork is old, Talib is gone, and Revis is coming off an injury. They have had big injuries to key players.
 
I think most of what you say is fair, however I think Turner and James will be starting immediately, even if by default.

No one knows how these players will turn out. I remember there being mostly a positive vibe after last year's draft, and none of the players ended up contributing.

Could very likely happen again


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jrobitaille23 said:
You are pretty spot on. As an outside observer (Steelers fan) I am left shaking my head at this draft. You don't have a franchise QB and you passed on Manziel. The draft is deepest at WR yet you draft a shorter slower WR than either of your starters. Each pick needed to be home runs and all I saw were bunt singles. Sadly, the way Ross does things ass backwards, it will hard to get a good coach who is willing to go there next year. It's a sad franchise and nothing suggests it will turnaround anytime soon. Not until Ross sells which is probably not going to happen for a very long time. Miami will finish with 6 or 7 wins at best and be back in the top ten next year. Sucks for them there isn't a Manziel next year. Wow they blew that opportunity.
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Dude, no offense, but geesus. We should have drafted Jonny Football? Just because ESPN coined him Jonny Football? Tanny is a solid QB. He may not be a franchise QB, but how many teams have an actual franchise QB? And why does speed matter? We had Tedd Ginn, one of the fastest in the league, but he couldn't catch a medicine ball. Give me a break. Landry catches passes, that's what we need. I have no issues with that selection, and honestly can't wait to see him on the field. I'd prefer a receiver that can go 5 yards and make a catch than someone that is open going towards the end zone but can't make the catch.

I have no issues with the draft because our biggest downfall was our pass protection(which some of that can be attributed to Tanny). If those we picked up do what we expect them to, then job well done.
 
Well if we finish the season 8-8, Philbin is toast and probably Hickey too. This whole thing will start over from scratch...yet again.
 
If only our GM was as good at drafting as you are at making threads
 
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