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I’d like to know because I’ve seen a lot of people post opinions on the board stating a new coach will improve the overall play of the offensive line.

I’d like to know specifically how this would happen because all these lineman have been playing their positions since POP Warner, High School and D1 college, no?

The coach isn’t going to help them vastly improve their athletic ability nor their functional strength. They probably have had countless hours over the years training to improve their footwork and hand placement in the 15 or so years playing this game?

I ask this because I didn’t play football much as a kid, my sports were baseball and golf. So I don’t know a lot about offensive line training.

I honestly would like to know specifically, how an experienced O-line coach would be any different than what they have now?

Thanks in advance
 
Which is why it is so puzzling that these guys suddenly forgot where to put their hands, or how to move their feet.

Its obvious that these guys are confused due to the blocking schemes, who blocks who, when, and how.

Whatever Jean Pierre is teaching them is conflicting with everything they learned their entire lives. Everything that got them drafted and starting in the NFL was flushed down the toilet for some reason.

The oline requires the most coordination of any position group in football, if one link is broken, the whole thing falls apart. We don have one weak link, our links all take turns being weak. Our coach isnt doing what it takes to make sure they know their assignments and how to accomplish them.
 
Honeybager08 said:
I’d like to know because I’ve seen a lot of people post opinions on the board stating a new coach will improve the overall play of the offensive line.

I’d like to know specifically how this would happen because all these lineman have been playing their positions since POP Warner, High School and D1 college, no?

The coach isn’t going to help them vastly improve their athletic ability nor their functional strength. They probably have had countless hours over the years training to improve their footwork and hand placement in the 15 or so years playing this game?

I ask this because I didn’t play football much as a kid, my sports were baseball and golf. So I don’t know a lot about offensive line training.

I honestly would like to know specifically, how an experienced O-line coach would be any different than what they have now?

Thanks in advance
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I have no idea how Jeanpierre is doing as OL coach.

I'm not going to say he's on his way to becoming Hudson Hawk Houck, but he's probably working his a$$ off and knows an incredible amount about offensive line play.

I said in a different thread that you can't discount the value and impact of coaching, but 5 competent OLinemen are going to look like a competent Oline with no coaching at all.

It's the players. It's the players. It's the players. It's the players.

That doesn't mean there is no hope.

Eich is a rookie who should have never played one snap at LT in the NFL in his life. Likely a bright future at G or RT. Hunt is a dominant RG work-in-progress. Jackson is a talented kid who is kind if a head scratcher, who needs time to develop at G or T. Deiter nay be Center of present and future, or someone you are always looking to replace. So TBD. It is his first few games at C in the NFL.
 
I am not among those that is adamant that we change the OL coach, but I do believe that coaching has been the problem. Sometimes coaches need time to develop too. He was a first time OL coach.

Part of my issue with the coaching was that they shuffled the OL around so much in the off-season. OL play is more about playing as a unit than about individual talent. It's the coach's job to facilitate that cohesiveness. IMO that was poorly done. And no these guys haven't been playing their positions since pop warner. There are different skill sets required along the OL. For example, just b/c you can play T, doesn't mean you can play G or C and vis-a-versa. All the preseason shuffling basically meant we only had one lineman start out in the same position he finished last year at. And that guy has since been moved. Additionally, different blocking schemes will ask for different athletic profiles. Some schemes are more complex than others.
 
Would the regression be caused by NFL defensive coordinators now having tape on our line and knowing their weaknesses?

Or the fact that we run almost 20% of our sets from an RPO set?

I would think running an RPO style set would require lineman to be more athletic and have great functional strength because they have to run block first and then pass block if Tua decides to pass, no? Maybe we have the wrong type of lineman.

Some people want to see Kindley in there again but I think the RPO sets are challenging for him because he is a phone booth player and not a good pass blocker due to his athletic limitations.
 
The push we get up the middle in unbelievable and very disruptive, I can't say enough how valuable a really good center is. I say the coaching is terrible because it seems like guys are confused and whiff on blocks that should be picked up by stunt/blitz recognition pre snap.
 
Honeybager08 said:
Would the regression be caused by NFL defensive coordinators now having tape on our line and knowing their weaknesses?

Or the fact that we run almost 20% of our sets from an RPO set?

I would think running an RPO style set would require lineman to be more athletic and have great functional strength because they have to run block first and then pass block if Tua decides to pass, no? Maybe we have the wrong type of lineman.

Some people want to see Kindley in there again but I think the RPO sets are challenging for him because he is a phone booth player and not a good pass blocker due to his athletic limitations.
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The RPO has variations of option plays that look very similar. based on the variation lineman will fulfill different responsibilities.

Read-option- Which is a running play, where the QB is reading a defender and has 1 of 2 options. Keep the ball or hand it off. ( in this scenario the Lineman are just playing the run)
Play action- The QB isn't actually ever considering running here, but using the PA as a way to fool defenders ( in this scenario the lineman are full pass protect)
Run pass option - This is more towards you question about linemen athleticism. In this scenario the lineman are just playing the run ( its really the only option since they wouldn't have anyway of knowing if the QB decided to hand it off or hold onto the ball to try and throw it downfield). If the QB decides to pass in the RPO he must do so before his linemen (who are run blocking) get beyond 1 yard.
 
Would you hire somebody to install an air conditioner in your home that has never installed an air conditioner? Sure he's seen somebody else do it, but has never done the work himself. I sure wouldn't.

Years of experience in any trade is invaluable to the person performing the job. This guy has no previous NFL experience being an OL coach...nor does either of the OCs. This OL coach played line in the NFL for several years, then was an assistant OL coach with Oakland for a couple years, then after one year as assistant OL coach in Miami (which produced **** results), he's promoted to OL coach. The assistant OL coach was a lineman at a small college, then a graduate assistant for two years, then was hired by the Dolphins as a coaching assistant, which he did for 2 years before being promoted this year to assistant OL coach.

So combined, the OL coaches have 3 years of assistant OL coach experience, 1 year of said experience being the assistant OL coach of the Dolphins' sorry excuse for an OL. Pardon if I don't have a lot of faith in their acumen, given the results. We've drafted highly rated linemen, we haven't signed a highly rated coach.

Contrast that with Coach Bill Callahan (coaching the #1 rated OL in the NFL - Browns):

  • Is in his 43rd year as a coach and 22nd in the NFL. Career includes head coaching stints at both the college and pro levels, including advancing the Oakland Raiders to Super Bowl XXXVII.
  • Helped his teams lead the NFL in rushing in 2000 (Raiders) and 2009 (Jets) and passing in 2002 (Raiders). Has been a member of an offensive staff that finished in the top five in the NFL in rushing or passing 11 times.
  • Helped 12 offensive linemen combine for 29 Pro Bowl selections during his career.
Rams' OL coach is in his first year as an NFL OL coach, and they're #2 in pass-blocking. In contrast to our OL coaches, this guy was a successful OL coach in Division I for several years before being an NFL OL coach.

Jeanpierre may evolve into a great OL coach some day...but he's essentially OJT'ing it without expert assistance. Couple that with the youth on this line, and you get what we have IMO.
 
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Would you hire somebody to install an air conditioner in your home that has never installed an air conditioner? Sure he's seen somebody else do it, but has never done the work himself. I sure wouldn't.

Years of experience in any trade is invaluable to the person performing the job. This guy has no previous NFL experience being an OL coach...nor does either of the OCs. This OL coach played line in the NFL for several years, then was an assistant OL coach with Oakland for a couple years, then after one year as assistant OL coach in Miami (which produced **** results), he's promoted to OL coach. The assistant OL coach was a lineman at a small college, then a graduate assistant for two years, then was hired by the Dolphins as a coaching assistant, which he did for 2 years before being promoted this year to assistant OL coach.

So combined, the OL coaches have 3 years of assistant OL coach experience, 1 year of said experience being the assistant OL coach of the Dolphins' sorry excuse for an OL. Pardon if I don't have a lot of faith in their acumen, given the results. We've drafted highly rated linemen, we haven't signed a highly rated coach.

Contrast that with Coach Bill Callahan (coaching the #1 rated OL in the NFL - Browns):

  • Is in his 43rd year as a coach and 22nd in the NFL. Career includes head coaching stints at both the college and pro levels, including advancing the Oakland Raiders to Super Bowl XXXVII.
  • Helped his teams lead the NFL in rushing in 2000 (Raiders) and 2009 (Jets) and passing in 2002 (Raiders). Has been a member of an offensive staff that finished in the top five in the NFL in rushing or passing 11 times.
  • Helped 12 offensive linemen combine for 29 Pro Bowl selections during his career.
Rams' OL coach is in his first year as an NFL OL coach, and they're #2 in pass-blocking. In contrast to our OL coaches, this guy was a successful OL coach in Division I for several years before being an NFL OL coach.

Jeanpierre may evolve into a great OL coach some day...but he's essentially OJT'ing it without expert assistance. Couple that with the youth on this line, and you get what we have IMO.
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Head coaches aren't head coaches until they are first hired to be head coaches.
 
Honeybager08 said:
Would the regression be caused by NFL defensive coordinators now having tape on our line and knowing their weaknesses?

Or the fact that we run almost 20% of our sets from an RPO set?

I would think running an RPO style set would require lineman to be more athletic and have great functional strength because they have to run block first and then pass block if Tua decides to pass, no? Maybe we have the wrong type of lineman.

Some people want to see Kindley in there again but I think the RPO sets are challenging for him because he is a phone booth player and not a good pass blocker due to his athletic limitations.
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RPO blocking is usually just run blocking. You don't make the OL look back and check to see if the QB handed off. You just rely on the QB getting the ball out quickly so that no lineman gets too far upfield.

IMO the regression was primarily due to the shuffling.

IMO we should have stuck with a right side of Kindley/Hunt and drafted Creed Humphrey (#1 rated rookie from last year's draft class according to PFF) instead of Ike. That would have given us a strong run blocking right side. I would have kept Flowers at LG or brought in Thuney. I wanted a vet next to Jackson. It's pretty easy to provide help to one just one player on the OL if needed.

There have been reports that the new OL coach put in a relatively complex blocking scheme and that they've simplified after the big losing streak. I'm guessing that the more complex scheme is what Kindley struggled with. I see Kindley's athleticism as fine for RG.
 
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Honeybager08 said:
Would the regression be caused by NFL defensive coordinators now having tape on our line and knowing their weaknesses?

Or the fact that we run almost 20% of our sets from an RPO set?

I would think running an RPO style set would require lineman to be more athletic and have great functional strength because they have to run block first and then pass block if Tua decides to pass, no? Maybe we have the wrong type of lineman.

Some people want to see Kindley in there again but I think the RPO sets are challenging for him because he is a phone booth player and not a good pass blocker due to his athletic limitations.
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These Offensive Linemen aren't athletic enough for the RPO. Too slow footed.
 
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