Phins vs Philly- QB Pressure Comparison

[So Be]

Last year, Philly had 34 sacks, 37 hits, and 141 QB hurries. Phins had 51- 42- 131. This does not include team sacks. Philly had the better OL who played together for almost all snaps, best run game in the NFL, and a very diversified O. Phins had a revolving door on the OL, no run game, and Sherman. Yet, when you look at the hits and hurries, we're a bit better. I'm not discounting the sack difference but, overall it's a lot closer than what one would have thought.

A far as a QB comparison, Foles took 6 sacks on holding the ball too long, as well as 5 hits and 2 hurries on 386 pass snaps. Tannehill took 3 sacks, 1 hit, and 0 hurries on 678 pass snaps.

Just a little food for thought on or new O.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Last year, Philly had 34 sacks, 37 hits, and 141 QB hurries. Phins had 51- 42- 131. This does not include team sacks. Philly had the better OL who played together for almost all snaps, best run game in the NFL, and a very diversified O. Phins had a revolving door on the OL, no run game, and Sherman. Yet, when you look at the hits and hurries, we're a bit better. I'm not discounting the sack difference but, overall it's a lot closer than what one would have thought.

A far as a QB comparison, Foles took 6 sacks on holding the ball too long, as well as 5 hits and 2 hurries on 386 pass snaps. Tannehill took 3 sacks, 1 hit, and 0 hurries on 678 pass snaps.

Just a little food for thought on or new O.

The hits and hurries were better because they got rid of the ball much faster on average.

IMO, every offense is trying to balance letting plays develop with the amount of protection they can reasonably expect from their OL. I expect the hurries and hits to balance out.

If a team had great pass blocking but threw nothing but quick passes, they'd be leaving a lot of potential big plays on the field. So, they run longer developing plays to exploit the defense and take advantage of their superior line. When a team can't pass block they must get rid of the ball sooner. Even still, they are trying to run as diverse a playbook as they can so defenses don't just sit on short routes.

Every team has a mix of pass plays in the playbook. Which they use most often will depend on how well they execute. I don't expect our offense to be just like Philly's because we don't have the OL (yet).

 

[hoops]

numbers in a vacuum

what i wouldn't give to have that philly starting oline

 

[So Be]

numbers in a vacuum

what i wouldn't give to have that philly starting oline

The Philly OL was as good as it gets on the run, and each of their 5 starters were at least very good. However, in pass blocking Peters was VG, Mathis was good, and Kelce was above average but, Lane Johnson was very bad (although improved to average 2nd half as you said some time ago), and Herremans was much worse. The two actually graded out worse for the year than any of our OL.

 

[So Be]

The hits and hurries were better because they got rid of the ball much faster on average.

IMO, every offense is trying to balance letting plays develop with the amount of protection they can reasonably expect from their OL. I expect the hurries and hits to balance out.

If a team had great pass blocking but threw nothing but quick passes, they'd be leaving a lot of potential big plays on the field. So, they run longer developing plays to exploit the defense and take advantage of their superior line. When a team can't pass block they must get rid of the ball sooner. Even still, they are trying to run as diverse a playbook as they can so defenses don't just sit on short routes.

Every team has a mix of pass plays in the playbook. Which they use most often will depend on how well they execute. I don't expect our offense to be just like Philly's because we don't have the OL (yet).

Good point. On average, Foles went deep a lot more and held the ball longer than Tannehill. Foles was going deep on 1 of every 7 pass plays to Tannehills 1 of 11. With the OL Lazor has to deal with, do you think RT will go deep more or less?

 

[PhinFan1968]

Good point. On average, Foles went deep a lot more and held the ball longer than Tannehill. Foles was going deep on 1 of every 7 pass plays to Tannehills 1 of 11. With the OL Lazor has to deal with, do you think RT will go deep more or less?

If the line can at least master the playbook, I'd say more. If they come out like a dumpster fire, less.

 

[utahphinsfan]

Now that DeSean has migrated, I'd bet Philly goes deep less often.

Unless I'm way off... The Martz led Rams & Saints w/ Brees (2 of the more prolific offenses of recent) rely more on intermediate routes but using the entire width of the field.

In reading up on Lazor, This IMO is what he trying to accomplish especially when you look at his mentors (J Gibbs, Chip J, & Holmgren).

 

[PhinFan1968]

Now that DeSean has migrated, I'd bet Philly goes deep less often.

Unless I'm way off... The Martz led Rams & Saints w/ Brees (2 of the more prolific offenses of recent) rely more on intermediate routes but using the entire width of the field.

In reading up on Lazor, This IMO is what he trying to accomplish especially when you look at his mentors (J Gibbs, Chip J, & Holmgren).

That's my take too, with all the talk about creating space and such, it just seems like the intermediate routes will be the most open. Less time from snap to throw compared to deep stuff.