Play by play analysis...Feeley led offense...

[inFINSible]

Excellent, excellent post.

I stated before I liked both QB'S. Only because Frerotte got some "Lucky catches" was his overall performance better. Not knocking Frerotte he still had a solid game.

Feeley is definitely more accurate and has the stronger arm.
Frerotte is more comfortable and fluid.

That is just a plain fact.

Feeley showed the better passing yesterday where as Frerotte showed better pocket awareness and patience.

Either way both played solid. This is coming from someone who despises Frerotte.

LOL u really wanna know what is so funny about the Frerotte lovers of last night game is?

Frerotte, when leading the offense, looked very much like a Fiedler led offense. Over threw and underthrew many passes making receivers break stride having to make adjustments and make great catches.

Now the irony is that the way Gus played is exactly how Fiedler played. Yet Fiedler gets bashed and critiscized for those some outcome on his passes and plays, where as Frerotte gets praised and worshipped by some lol!!! Oh the irony.

As long as you are not named Fiedler u can under and overthrow your WR'S. As long as u don't have the name Fiedler u get credited for "Putting the ball where only Gilmore could catch it" even though Frerotte admitted it wasn't intended for him but a TE and the ball slipped out of his hand. LOL!!!!

Wow, I never even noticed that but, you're right. He looked like Jay out there

I stated before I liked both QB'S. Only because Frerotte got some "Lucky catches" was his overall performance better. Not knocking Frerotte he still had a solid game.

Feeley is definitely more accurate and has the stronger arm.
Frerotte is more comfortable and fluid.

That is just a plain fact.

Feeley showed the better passing yesterday where as Frerotte showed better pocket awareness and patience.

Either way both played solid.

This is DEAD ON accurate. I agree 100%.

 

[touborg]

Good post. Nice to have it broken down like that. I think most of us agree that all our QBs played pretty well last night. It's a nice change that our passing game is better than our running game. I'm not exactly sure your post makes Feeley look better though.

First play:1/10 double TE set....looks like it's going to be a toss sweep to the right....O-Gun jumps the snap and is there to disrupt the play before it starts....Feeley pulls the ball in and takes the loss instead of trying to make the pitch.

4th play; 3/8.......Shotgun, 3 wide, split backs...Trying to set up a screen....CB comes untouched on a blitz....ricky runs into the back of number 78 trying to get out of the mess....no one to throw the ball to, has to get rid of it or take the sack....throws the ball toward the area Ricky is in, hits Carey in the side and falls incomplete....wasn't trying to complete the pass, was trying to get rid of it.....risky play, could have been IG, or illegal receiver but, he gets away with it.

first play:1/10 @ the 11....(Gus Frerotte is loosening up according to Michaels)..single back, 3 wide....5 step drop....as soon as he plants, Brown gets his arm from the backside, he pulls free and steps up, right into Urlacher who came through untouched, Feeley tries to spin away but, it's too late, Urlacher creams him.....Feeley can't get his heavily taped shoe on and that's when he comes out...

Pretty good example of why some of us would like to see Gus start. The above 3 times are the only times you mention pressure on Feeley, and they all have the same result. If someone breaks through, Feeley doesn't have the pocket presence or movement to get away. I'd say an O-line with as many holes as hours would back up the oppinion to start a QB with better movement and pocket presence.

Like I said, I think all our QBs played suprisingly well last night, but I'm just not seeing the intangibles in Feeley that I want in a QB.

 

[dolfan4good]

I'd say an O-line with as many holes as hours would back up the oppinion to start a QB with better movement and pocket presence.

Do you mean like when Gus just stood there while alomst being sacked for a safety and the defender simply didn't make the tackle?

 

[inFINSible]

THe way I remembered it was that Feeley was all the way back in the pocket he took a mini-step up Brown grabbed his arm then he took a big step up. The big step up should have happened sooner because the offensive line did their job and provided a pocket for Feeley to step into... That's how I remembered it. You obviously tivoed the game and so I take your word.

I looked again....
It was more of a "bounce" after he planted his foot, but at full speed, it was a milisecond before Brown grabbed his arm, from behind, which isn't supposed to happen, and there was no way he could have known Brown was there....He felt him, stepped up and got creamed...there was nothing AJ did wrong or could have done diffrently IMO....I'm just glad he didn't throw it up for grabs, although I'm sure he didn't even have time to do that.

 

[Dolphinlife]

Agreed thanks for being optimisic. We cant judge this early. Good thread

 

[inFINSible]

Good post. Nice to have it broken down like that. I think most of us agree that all our QBs played pretty well last night. It's a nice change that our passing game is better than our running game. I'm not exactly sure your post makes Feeley look better though.



Pretty good example of why some of us would like to see Gus start. The above 3 times are the only times you mention pressure on Feeley, and they all have the same result. If someone breaks through, Feeley doesn't have the pocket presence or movement to get away. I'd say an O-line with as many holes as hours would back up the oppinion to start a QB with better movement and pocket presence.

Like I said, I think all our QBs played suprisingly well last night, but I'm just not seeing the intangibles in Feeley that I want in a QB.

I'd bet any amount of money right now, that Gus couldn't have done anything better on any of those plays.

 

[DrAstroZoom]

Infins ... I'm not a Feeley hater, and he didn't look miserable out there last night, but Gus just performed better last night.

As far as Gus looking like Fiedler, I beg to differ. I didn't hold my breath once last night when Gus threw the ball downfield.

 

[SkapePhin]

Good Post.. Thats how I saw it as well.. Now do one for Gus. I liked what Gus did, but Id like to see how you analyze his play.

It seems most people are bashing Feeley for "poise".. This is all perception.. I didnt see lack of poise.. others did.. They are letting their bias pepper their opinion, even though, objectively, there was nothing wrong with anything he did.. The only bad throw was the one to a double covered CC.

And to say the other QBs outplayed Feeley (Other than Gus) is absurd.. Put Berlin against the first unit and you have a repeat of Ray Lucas Vs. Buffalo.. GUA-RAN-TEED!

 

[Phishstix]

feeley wasn't awful, but he didn't look any different than he has ever looked, and that's my concern. his pocket presence wasn't strong, he went thru one progression on each passing play, and he can't handle the blitz. he's gonna have to play at an extremely high level to be here past this season, and from what i saw last night coupled w/ past experiences, he's not gonna get 'er done.

 

[dolfan4good]

Infins ... I'm not a Feeley hater, and he didn't look miserable out there last night, but Gus just performed better last night.

As far as Gus looking like Fiedler, I beg to differ. I didn't hold my breath once last night when Gus threw the ball downfield.

I held my breath on the throw to CC when I saw it was short and there were 2 defenders back there!

 

[DrAstroZoom]

I held my breath on the throw to CC when I saw it was short and there were 2 defenders back there!

At that point, I was so relieved it wasn't a safety, I was exhaling in relief. Plus, I knew Chambers would outjump the defenders.

 

[FIN-IN-RI]

I looked again....
It was more of a "bounce" after he planted his foot, but at full speed, it was a milisecond before Brown grabbed his arm, from behind, which isn't supposed to happen, and there was no way he could have known Brown was there....He felt him, stepped up and got creamed...there was nothing AJ did wrong or could have done diffrently IMO....I'm just glad he didn't throw it up for grabs, although I'm sure he didn't even have time to do that.

See, I think a good QB would have felt Brown before Brown physically touched him, saw Urlacher comming in and dump it off to your outlet real quick.. I think Frerotte would have done that. If I was a composed QB I would have done that. I'm glad he diodn't throw it up for grabs too, It obviously would have been worse.

 

[Phishstix]

I held my breath on the throw to CC when I saw it was short and there were 2 defenders back there!

i think that people are misunderstanding that play. cc was in front of the defender w/ safety help over top, and if gus had put that ball on the money to cc, 1) the pass would have been picked or knocked down, and 2) cc would have gotten his head taken off. its common to intentionally underthrow fly routes b/c corners are taught to play the man, not the ball, so cc gains the advantage by adjusting to the ball first, which is what happened.

 

[inFINSible]

Good Post.. Thats how I saw it as well.. Now do one for Gus. I liked what Gus did, but Id like to see how you analyze his play.

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I fully intend to do exactly that( I don't think Gus played bad either and if you put a gun to my head and said we need to win this game, I'd have to start him)....and one for the o-line like dolfan4good asked.... :)

 

[FIN-IN-RI]

i think that people are misunderstanding that play. cc was in front of the defender w/ safety help over top, and if gus had put that ball on the money to cc, 1) the pass would have been picked or knocked down, and 2) cc would have gotten his head taken off. its common to intentionally underthrow fly routes b/c corners are taught to play the man, not the ball, so cc gains the advantage by adjusting to the ball first, which is what happened.

That was a good throw Frerrotte man deep in the endzone, regardless of the flawed tackle by the defender. He still kept his cool. Even better was Chambers adjustment to a well thrown ball.