Play Calls- OC vs Fans vs Players?

[So Be]

I've been a Phinatic for many a year, and cannot recall an OC who fans liked overall. I remember the complaints with "Dan The Man" needing to run more, Tuna & Company needing adapt to throwing more, and everything before, in between, and after.

Any OC tries to do what is best for his O. He has info that would make most fan's head spin with coaches breaking down miles of tape on every game. He game plans on that info, which sometimes works and other times does not. Understand that there are other opposing coaches on D doing the same thing. From what I have heard and seen, all teams know what the play is going to be on 3 of 4 plays from extensive research on what teams do.

Stat wise, we are about the same as with Lazor last year but, Miller is better (receiver), as our our WR's are better. Tannehill has taken a step backwards.

Unless the OC has great talent, he has to take what the D is giving. If there are 6 or 7 in the box, it's gonna be tuff to run and better to pass and if there are 5 in the box, running is a good idea. Then there are are also player match ups where the numbers do not matter as much. They do consider this.
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Most fans have a simple way of evaluating play calls. If it works, good call. If not, bad call. There are not many who go past that before forming an opinion.
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Players are the key to success or failure, as they have to execute the play call. To do this they need to block, run, pass, and catch, along with being where they are supposed to be. Sounds simple but, seldom seems to be. How many times this year has Tannehill made the wrong throw? Miller the wrong run lane? All receivers running the right routes and being where they are supposed to be? Don't know, wish I did.

All in all, from what I have seen this year, I have to fault Tannehill and players more than Lazor. JMO

 

[Sons Of Shula]

Balance the offense.

**** Lazor.

 

[Tannchise]

we do too many bubble screens and have averaged like 15 points a game in the last 4

 

[AL R]

So why did we get away from the run so fast again yesterday when the score was so close?

It might have even helped the defense out a little more to make a stop at 14-14. Lazor keeps doing the same thing over and over. Why wouldn't he try sticking to run game, work off PA etc. for at least one game?

 

[DAFINZ]

Balance the offense.

**** Lazor.

Simple but true.

 

[Bob512]

Naaaah....its all the above.

The players have to perform better but the offensive play calling is terrible.

Oh, and I think that many (not all) posters on this site can tell the difference between a successful play and a well called play. Sometimes, the defense makes a good play as well.

 

[tcdrover]

RT can change the play to be a run or a pass at the line,

he can throw to ANY OF THE WRS AND TES RUNNING ROUTES.

Not sure why this is so confusing to people.

He does not HAVE to throw the quick out every time..

He CHOOSES to do this.

 

[So Be]

So why did we get away from the run so fast again yesterday when the score was so close?

It might have even helped the defense out a little more to make a stop at 14-14. Lazor keeps doing the same thing over and over. Why wouldn't he try sticking to run game, work off PA etc. for at least one game?

Did you notice how the Dallas D was playing, and challenging Tannehill to make plays? This does matter.

 

[phins_4_ever]

I've been a Phinatic for many a year, and cannot recall an OC who fans liked overall. I remember the complaints with "Dan The Man" needing to run more, Tuna & Company needing adapt to throwing more, and everything before, in between, and after.

Any OC tries to do what is best for his O. He has info that would make most fan's head spin with coaches breaking down miles of tape on every game. He game plans on that info, which sometimes works and other times does not. Understand that there are other opposing coaches on D doing the same thing. From what I have heard and seen, all teams know what the play is going to be on 3 of 4 plays from extensive research on what teams do.

Stat wise, we are about the same as with Lazor last year but, Miller is better (receiver), as our our WR's are better. Tannehill has taken a step backwards.

Unless the OC has great talent, he has to take what the D is giving. If there are 6 or 7 in the box, it's gonna be tuff to run and better to pass and if there are 5 in the box, running is a good idea. Then there are are also player match ups where the numbers do not matter as much. They do consider this.
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Most fans have a simple way of evaluating play calls. If it works, good call. If not, bad call. There are not many who go past that before forming an opinion.
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Players are the key to success or failure, as they have to execute the play call. To do this they need to block, run, pass, and catch, along with being where they are supposed to be. Sounds simple but, seldom seems to be. How many times this year has Tannehill made the wrong throw? Miller the wrong run lane? All receivers running the right routes and being where they are supposed to be? Don't know, wish I did.

All in all, from what I have seen this year, I have to fault Tannehill and players more than Lazor. JMO

You will find out that usually only fans who like to protect certain players from criticism will always fault the OC. Truth to be told we just don't know. We form our opinion on what we see rather than any solid inside info.

Right now you have those who fault anybody and everybody incl the OC and play calling to protect Tannehill. On my end I say that Lazor maybe handicapped by Tannehill. But neither group has solid inside info. The difference between the 'other' side and people like me is the visual facts:

In year 1 of Tannehill Sherman was great for Tannehill because
a) he was his college coach and therefor booth had familiarity with each other
b) Tannehill knew the system
c) at fault were the receivers, OL, RBs and TEs (pretty much everybody on offense except 1)

In year 2 Sherman entered the honored list of being the bad guy (joining the entire offense)

In year3 it was Lazor's 1st year and he was hailed as the new coming and finally we see Tannehill blossom. The second half of the season was all we needed to see.

In year 4 despite Lazor not having changed he is now back to be the bad boy.

Needless to say we have exchanged receivers, drafted receivers, our running game improved at times, our OL was partially changed yet everybody is still crap including the play call. In our entire offense from year 1 to 4 of Tannehill there is really only one common denominator. HC was fired. Two different OCs with different philosophies. Over a dozen players exchanged, let-go, traded yet.......[open for your interpretation].

The best part is how our front office is being bashed for pretty much the entire 4 season. It was Irland and Philbin. Then Hickey and Philbin, Then we enter Tannebaum. And we throw in Aponte for good measure. And with all that crap and garbage we got, drafted and traded for some assume that we hit on that one position the grand slam. The toughest position to evaluate. The most important position on offense. The position where you probably have more failures than success and the odds are against you we hit the grand slam. And everything else we got is just crap.

These are the facts we see. And without any inside info on play calling I think we can slowly close the book. WYSIWYG.

 

[Sons Of Shula]

RT can change the play to be a run or a pass at the line,

he can throw to ANY OF THE WRS AND TES RUNNING ROUTES.

Not sure why this is so confusing to people.

He does not HAVE to throw the quick out every time..

He CHOOSES to do this.

Offensive progressions and defensive coverages dictate where the ball goes.

#themoreyouknow

 

[So Be]

Naaaah....its all the above.

The players have to perform better but the offensive play calling is terrible.

Oh, and I think that many (not all) posters on this site can tell the difference between a successful play and a well called play. Sometimes, the defense makes a good play as well.

Stat wise, which can very misleading, have Miller better than last year, Matthews and Landry are on pace for 1,000 yards each, also better than Wallace and the Landry of last year. I have to point to Tannehill taking a step back.

 

[tcdrover]

Offensive progressions and defensive coverages dictate where the ball goes.

#themoreyouknow

Right, but the QB pulls the trigger & makes the decision.

He chooses where to throw the ball,

if two guys are open, if they need to convert a 3rd down, if there is immediate pressure or if there is NO immediate pressure.

he decides whether to roll the protection presnap and whether to bail on the called play and go to the other option.

 

[AL R]

Did you notice how the Dallas D was playing, and challenging Tannehill to make plays? This does matter.

Why did we abandon the run so quick? Especially since our QB is terrible you would think the OC would try the run the ball more especially after the last few weeks offensive ouptut seems like the OLine plays better when we do that also but nope. I didn't see Dallas stop our run game did you? Can't have it both ways.

 

[jvw]

So why did we get away from the run so fast again yesterday when the score was so close?

It might have even helped the defense out a little more to make a stop at 14-14. Lazor keeps doing the same thing over and over. Why wouldn't he try sticking to run game, work off PA etc. for at least one game?

The only way to justify abandoning the run so quick is if the Cowboys were showing 8-9 in the box and giving us man coverage.....if a team says we are not going to let you run then you have to make them pay in the passing game, but at some point you still have to run the ball in there every now and then....this team is a mystery....

 

[BuffaloFinfan]

RT can change the play to be a run or a pass at the line,

he can throw to ANY OF THE WRS AND TES RUNNING ROUTES.

Not sure why this is so confusing to people.

He does not HAVE to throw the quick out every time..

He CHOOSES to do this.

Do you think they actually design plays like some backyard football game? This isn't even close to accurate. Not every receiver is "active" in every route. Plays are designed with a couple of targets in mind and most likely an outlet with the rest of the receivers being decoys used to keep the coverage honest. Where the ball should go is dictated by the defensive coverage and the match-up.

As far as audibling out of plays, we don't do it. Either Tannehill doesn't do it or he isn't given the authority to do it like other QBs. Or, he hasn't been coached correctly to make the pre-snap reads required. I'm guessing it's a combo of him not being coached correctly and Lazor limiting his audibles.