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When talking about elite players in this draft there are a few names that come up including Jalen Ramsey, Joey Bosa, Laremy Tunsil and maybe Miles Jack.

None of those guys will be there at #13, but are there players who will be available with some elite qualities? Maybe they aren't considered elite, but some of their game is?

Here are some that I thought of...

Darron Lee seems to have cover skills that could be close to elite. I also feel if he's set loose to attack the quarterback that he could be a 10 sack a year guy. That's obviously a projection on my part.

Jarran Reed may have elite qualities as a run defender. Doesn't seem to offer much as a pass rusher, though. Will Fuller looks to have elite speed, although hands are a bit of an issue. Zeke Elliott, when you put all that he does together, may be an elite back. Reggie Ragland looks to be at least in the very good category as a run defender.

Others?
 
Josh Doctson has elite ball skills/red zone threat. The way he goes up and gets it is second to none.
 
Ramsey and Hargreaves have elite SPARQ ratings, Nkemdiche's is very solid.
 
Karl Joseph has elite instincts, closing speed, and physicality.

Nkemdiche has an elite combination of size and athleticism - particularly from the 3.

Ogbah has elite length.

Hargreaves has elite COD.
 
Bosa is not elite. He's a solid player, but I don't understand the hype. I think he's being unfairly compared to Watt and he's not in that class
 
jlfin said:
Bosa is not elite. He's a solid player, but I don't understand the hype. I think he's being unfairly compared to Watt and he's not in that class
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Actually Bosa was better in college than Watt but they shouldn't be compared because Watt is 20 lbs heavier.

As for not being elite I strongly disagree. I watched every snap he played in college football. He was a disruptive force.
 
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Unchained 07 said:
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No doubt. I think he can be elite.

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j-off-her-doll said:
Karl Joseph has elite instincts, closing speed, and physicality.

Nkemdiche has an elite combination of size and athleticism - particularly from the 3.

Ogbah has elite length.

Hargreaves has elite COD.
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I wonder if Joseph will be there in R2? Getting him at #13 is too high, but I love the player. Honestly, I still would go Hargreaves over Apple if they are both available when Miami picks. Hargreaves and Joseph would be an awesome start to the draft.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
No doubt. I think he can be elite.

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I wonder if Joseph will be there in R2? Getting him at #13 is too high, but I love the player. Honestly, I still would go Hargreaves over Apple if they are both available when Miami picks. Hargreaves and Joseph would be an awesome start to the draft.
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I don't think 13 is too high for Joseph, but I understand most do. Why do you think it's too high?
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Karl Joseph has elite instincts, closing speed, and physicality.

Nkemdiche has an elite combination of size and athleticism - particularly from the 3.

Ogbah has elite length.

Hargreaves has elite COD.
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That's a good summary. Joseph is going higher than most people expect. I think he'll be a whispered name in the final days leading to the draft. In a draft where most analysts project a distinct drop off after 10 picks or so, it makes sense to elevate a guy who played at a rare level prior to the injury.

I'll have an admitted gleeful bias in case we take Joseph. He would instantly be the best safety on the team, and his play would help spotlight the deficiencies of the other guy.
 
I'll drop this link here. I considered starting a new thread but I don''t want to babysit the thread in case I'm occupied for a few days.

It is a lengthy Q&A with Scot McCloughan, current Redskins general manager after a long stint in the Seahawks organization:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...edium=share&utm_campaign=web-mob-art-mid-163#

Very interesting, IMO. McCloughan emphasizes that the bulk of his scouting focus is to find out as much as he can about the person, which ones have the "it" factor, the ability to elevate their games. He says it is particularly important at the quarterback position, that you have to have a leader.

You can see where the Seahawks owned such an edge in recent years. McCloughan said it only takes 5 to 10 plays to identify a player's ability level. Exactly. That's why I always have to chuckle at Mayock and others who throw out the word tape so often, as if we're supposed to bow. The tape guys seldom if ever impress me because I understand the natural barriers. I've experienced the same type of dynamic in sports betting. No matter how much you study you aren't going to hit 80% or 90%. Not even close. Same in scouting. The tape guys are happily oblivious to one important quality after another but seldom are sharp enough to admit it or even to grasp it themselves. Meanwhile, Seattle has used the metrics as a simple tool to quantify the athletic ability, to reduce the debate and laser focus on a smaller pool of guys, and then exhaustively try to figure out which guys among that group own the prerequisite passion and "it" factor they covet.

There is also a good anecdote on Frank Gore, and his trust in McCloughan based on pre draft conversations and how it panned out. We forfeited quite a bit in credibility and respect with a weasel like Jeff Ireland.

BTW, speaking of a player's inner qualities, that TMZ tape of Johnny Manziel was about as pathetic a display as I've ever seen. It reminded me of my USC days at Los Angeles nightspots, with someone in our party obviously drunk but invariably trying to deny it and generally making a public fool of himself at curbside. At least twice that person was me. I'd like to believe I would have targeted Manziel's personality with an approach and access like McCloughan's. Instead I relied on Manziel's word from years earlier.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I'll drop this link here. I considered starting a new thread but I don''t want to babysit the thread in case I'm occupied for a few days.

It is a lengthy Q&A with Scot McCloughan, current Redskins general manager after a long stint in the Seahawks organization:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...edium=share&utm_campaign=web-mob-art-mid-163#

Very interesting, IMO. McCloughan emphasizes that the bulk of his scouting focus is to find out as much as he can about the person, which ones have the "it" factor, the ability to elevate their games. He says it is particularly important at the quarterback position, that you have to have a leader.

You can see where the Seahawks owned such an edge in recent years. McCloughan said it only takes 5 to 10 plays to identify a player's ability level. Exactly. That's why I always have to chuckle at Mayock and others who throw out the word tape so often, as if we're supposed to bow. The tape guys seldom if ever impress me because I understand the natural barriers. I've experienced the same type of dynamic in sports betting. No matter how much you study you aren't going to hit 80% or 90%. Not even close. Same in scouting. The tape guys are happily oblivious to one important quality after another but seldom are sharp enough to admit it or even to grasp it themselves. Meanwhile, Seattle has used the metrics as a simple tool to quantify the athletic ability, to reduce the debate and laser focus on a smaller pool of guys, and then exhaustively try to figure out which guys among that group own the prerequisite passion and "it" factor they covet.

There is also a good anecdote on Frank Gore, and his trust in McCloughan based on pre draft conversations and how it panned out. We forfeited quite a bit in credibility and respect with a weasel like Jeff Ireland.

BTW, speaking of a player's inner qualities, that TMZ tape of Johnny Manziel was about as pathetic a display as I've ever seen. It reminded me of my USC days at Los Angeles nightspots, with someone in our party obviously drunk but invariably trying to deny it and generally making a public fool of himself at curbside. At least twice that person was me. I'd like to believe I would have targeted Manziel's personality with an approach and access like McCloughan's. Instead I relied on Manziel's word from years earlier.
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That's the one area that hobby draft enthusiasts will always be at a disadvantage. Relying on generic interviews and whatever information they give to the general public.

Speaking of athletic metrics, Justin Zimmer out of Ferris St. is currently projected as a 7th-UDFA. He's 6'2 302lbs, and before switching to DT in 2015, he played DE. He was extremely productive throughout his career, and in leading a stout Run D in 2015. Career stats: 216 tackles, 38+ (missing a year on this stat) TFL, 26 sacks, 9 FF's. Ferris St. gave up 78 rushing yards per game and only 3 rushing TD's on teh season. As an athlete, Zimmer is somewhere between JJ Watt and N. Suh: 32.75" arms (pretty good for a DT), z-score 2.1, 99th percentile, 4.85 40, 1.69 10-YS, 7.01 3-cone, 44 BP reps, 32" vert, 9'09 BJ. It's also worth noting that while Zimmer played DE, 2015 at DT was his most productive season - 13 sacks, 26 TFL. Has a wrestling, discus, and shot put background. Given his level of athleticism and his production, I don't expect Zimmer to need longer than most big-school rookie DT's. It almost always takes DT's a while to get it at the NFL level, but he should get it as quick as any other high-quality prospect.
 
Players with elite qualities....

You mean like Dion Jordan? Dude was off the charts (and continues to be)!
 
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