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Hey, I don't mean to sound crazy.

But with all Jason and Zach have went through their career's I want the playoffs badly in anyway possible.

KEEP THE FAITH!
 
need jax only lose two games if one is tennesse with tennesse running the table, jax is out with division tie breaker vs tennesse so they never match up with us
 
Thanks guys for the insight and comments.... a couple things I noticed in the comments....... It seems that some believe that we beat out the Jets by SOS. But in all the tiebreakers the Strength of Victory preceeds the Strength of Schedule. The other thing I think some seem to be saying; is that when a team loses out to a team in their own division, that they are thereby eliminated from the competition for the second wildcard; and I'm not so sure that's the case.....either way I'll post the rules and let the Chinese algebra experts figure it out...

here they are:


NFL Tiebreaking Procedures
(March 20, 2002) -- With the NFL realigning into eight four-team divisions to accommodate the arrival of the Houston Texans, the league adopted new tiebreaking rules.
Common opponents will now be the third tiebreaker within a division after head-to-head games and division record because each of the four teams will have 14 common games in the 16-game schedule. The owners also moved the strength-of-victory tiebreaker ahead of the strength-of-schedule tiebreaker.
The six postseason participants from each conference will now be seeded as follows:
1. The division champion with the best record.
2. The division champion with the second-best record.
3. The division champion with the third-best record.
4. The division champion with the fourth-best record.
5. The Wild Card club with the best record.
6. The Wild Card club with the second-best record.
The following procedures will be used to break standings ties for postseason playoffs and to determine regular-season schedules.
NOTE: Tie games count as one-half win and one-half loss for both clubs.
TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.
1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
4. Strength of victory.
5. Strength of schedule.
6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best net points in conference games.
9. Best net points in all games.
10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
11. Coin toss.
Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)
1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss
When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.
OTHER TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURES
1. Only one club advances to the playoffs in any tie-breaking step. Remaining tied clubs revert to the first step of the applicable division or Wild-Card tie breakers. As an example, if two clubs remain tied in any tie-breaker step after all other clubs have been eliminated, the procedure reverts to step one of the two-club format to determine the winner. When one club wins the tie breaker, all other clubs revert to step 1 of the applicable two-club or three-club format.
2. In comparing division and conference records or records against common opponents among tied teams, the best won-lost-tied percentage is the deciding factor since teams may have played an unequal number of games.
3. To determine home-field priority among division titlists, apply Wild-Card tie breakers.
4. To determine home-field priority for Wild-Card qualifiers, apply division tie breakers (if teams are from the same division) or Wild-Card tie breakers (if teams are from different ivisions).
TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING
If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:
1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.
2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule. If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.




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:eek: Too much of a headache trying to keep this all straight.
 
Dolfan5000 said:
Hey, I don't mean to sound crazy.

But with all Jason and Zach have went through their career's I want the playoffs badly in anyway possible.

KEEP THE FAITH!

im with you buddy
 
i'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst. it'll sting less if we don't make it.
 
killakimo said:
i'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst. it'll sting less if we don't make it.

Exactly, reverse optimism.

Because if we lose, to have to wait through the entire post season, just to make it to the offseason, seems an eternity in itself.
 
Here is what I make of it...

A) we MUST WIN OUT!!! But, I think you all already knew that.
B) Our losing to the bad teams and winning to the good ones has helped us in one area. Strength of Victory. We are currently 2nd in the AFC in that category, but that will change by the end of the season. Wins against the Jets and Colts should raise it. The only team better than us in the wildcard race right now is Jacksonville, but I think their's will drop a bit with the colts losing to us. All assumptions made in this post assume we end with a better SOV than all wildcard contendors, which I think is possible/likely, but there are too many different possibilities and not enough time for me to go through and figure out all of the scenarios. :)

We need at least one of the items in sections 1 or 2 to happen (or 2a to happen if we don't pass Jax in SOV), and then assuming that happens 1 item in each of sections 3-7.


1) Cincinnati:
  • a) Must lose all three remaining games (based on a better conference record)
2) Jacksonville:
  • a) Must lose all three remaining games OR
  • b) Lose two games AND
    • (1) KC also finishes at 9-7 OR
    • (2) Tenn wins out AND
      • (a) Broncos lose 2 or more
3) Kansas City
  • a) Must lose one game OR
  • b) Lose two games or more AND
    • (1) Denver loses two or more AND
      • (a) Pittsburgh loses at least one game OR
      • (b) Tennessee wins out
4) Denver
  • a) Must lose at least 2 games OR
  • b) Lose 1 game AND
    • (1) KC loses no more than 1 game
5) NY Jets:
  • a) Lose SOV tiebreaker if we win out
6) Pittsburgh
  • a) Must lose at least one game OR
  • b) KC finishes at 9-7 OR
  • c) Tenn wins out
7) Tennessee
  • a) Lose All tiebreakers with Miami if both teams are at 9-7

All I know is I am going to be rooting for the Titans this week!!! :)

**** Disclaimer, I beleive this to be as accurate as possible, but its quite possible I screwed up somewhere along the way.
 
13finfan4ever said:
just wait until this week is over, and keep the faith.

Exactly, lets worry about the playoffs if we get there. We need to win first and foremost.
 
Never say die said:
Thanks guys for the insight and comments.... a couple things I noticed in the comments....... It seems that some believe that we beat out the Jets by SOS. But in all the tiebreakers the Strength of Victory preceeds the Strength of Schedule. The other thing I think some seem to be saying; is that when a team loses out to a team in their own division, that they are thereby eliminated from the competition for the second wildcard; and I'm not so sure that's the case.....either way I'll post the rules and let the Chinese algebra experts figure it out...

here they are:


NFL Tiebreaking Procedures
(March 20, 2002) -- With the NFL realigning into eight four-team divisions to accommodate the arrival of the Houston Texans, the league adopted new tiebreaking rules.
Common opponents will now be the third tiebreaker within a division after head-to-head games and division record because each of the four teams will have 14 common games in the 16-game schedule. The owners also moved the strength-of-victory tiebreaker ahead of the strength-of-schedule tiebreaker.
The six postseason participants from each conference will now be seeded as follows:
1. The division champion with the best record.
2. The division champion with the second-best record.
3. The division champion with the third-best record.
4. The division champion with the fourth-best record.
5. The Wild Card club with the best record.
6. The Wild Card club with the second-best record.
The following procedures will be used to break standings ties for postseason playoffs and to determine regular-season schedules.
NOTE: Tie games count as one-half win and one-half loss for both clubs.
TO BREAK A TIE WITHIN A DIVISION
If, at the end of the regular season, two or more clubs in the same division finish with identical won-lost-tied percentages, the following steps will be taken until a champion is determined.
Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).
1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.
1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
Two Clubs
1. Head-to-head, if applicable.
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
4. Strength of victory.
5. Strength of schedule.
6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best net points in conference games.
9. Best net points in all games.
10. Best net touchdowns in all games.
11. Coin toss.
Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)
1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss
When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.
OTHER TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURES
1. Only one club advances to the playoffs in any tie-breaking step. Remaining tied clubs revert to the first step of the applicable division or Wild-Card tie breakers. As an example, if two clubs remain tied in any tie-breaker step after all other clubs have been eliminated, the procedure reverts to step one of the two-club format to determine the winner. When one club wins the tie breaker, all other clubs revert to step 1 of the applicable two-club or three-club format.
2. In comparing division and conference records or records against common opponents among tied teams, the best won-lost-tied percentage is the deciding factor since teams may have played an unequal number of games.
3. To determine home-field priority among division titlists, apply Wild-Card tie breakers.
4. To determine home-field priority for Wild-Card qualifiers, apply division tie breakers (if teams are from the same division) or Wild-Card tie breakers (if teams are from different ivisions).
TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING
If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:
1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.
2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie shall be assigned priority within its segment below that of non-playoff clubs and in the order that the playoff clubs exited from the playoffs. Thus, within a tied segment a playoff club that loses in the Wild-Card game will have priority over a playoff club that loses in the Divisional playoff game, which in turn will have priority over a club that loses in the Conference Championship game. If two tied clubs exited the playoffs in the same round, the tie is broken by strength of schedule. If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.




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The reason we beat the Jets at 9-7 lies in the definition of "Strength of Victory" somebody explained this on here the other day it's not what I alwaysthought it was (margin of victory in head to head.)

Look at 3 team wildcard step 1, divison tiebreaker is applied first.
 
finfanky said:
would miami be in with a 3 way tie with jacksonville @ kc

only if Cincy has lost out to go 8-8. Jack still beats us unless Tenn is there too.
 
grooves12 said:
Here is what I make of it...

A) we MUST WIN OUT!!! But, I think you all already knew that.
B) Our losing to the bad teams and winning to the good ones has helped us in one area. Strength of Victory. We are currently 2nd in the AFC in that category, but that will change by the end of the season. Wins against the Jets and Colts should raise it. The only team better than us in the wildcard race right now is Jacksonville, but I think their's will drop a bit with the colts losing to us. All assumptions made in this post assume we end with a better SOV than all wildcard contendors, which I think is possible/likely, but there are too many different possibilities and not enough time for me to go through and figure out all of the scenarios. :)

This guy has the correct definition of "Strength of Victory," not what I thought it meant either.
 
The only thing I don't see happening is Cincy losing out. I could see all others falling into place, but it would be a major collapse, even against the solid teams they round their schedule out with. That being said, I will be cheering for a bengals loss.
 
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