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We all hoped to win this game, but c'mon...if you know anything about football, you know the Ravens have superior talent, and they play to their level consistently.

Fins are young, inexperienced, and have many holes to fill.

O-line got whipped today, especially in the middle, center and both guards. Carey got spanked.

LB's just arent dominant. If you look at the best teams in this league, the LB position is key with playmakers and studs...we have neither at that position.

Our DB's were adequate...in fact, probably one of the most improved units on the team this year.

QB...any qb would struggle against that kind of pressure. Especially with very limited WR talent.

WR's, woefully poor. Bess is young and will continue to be a contributor, but Ginn, just too little too late. Many of you will be saying he needs more time, that he has improved...yada yada...the fact is, he is inconsistent and incapable of being a game changer or game breaker.

We got exposed for what we are, a good team that over-achieved, with many holes to fill.

We'll see many changes again next year...it's all good though. We'll be better for this.
 
phinfreak said:
We all hoped to win this game, but c'mon...if you know anything about football, you know the Ravens have superior talent, and they play to their level consistently.

Fins are young, inexperienced, and have many holes to fill.

O-line got whipped today, especially in the middle, center and both guards. Carey got spanked.

LB's just arent dominant. If you look at the best teams in this league, the LB position is key with playmakers and studs...we have neither at that position.

Our DB's were adequate...in fact, probably one of the most improved units on the team this year.

QB...any qb would struggle against that kind of pressure. Especially with very limited WR talent.

WR's, woefully poor. Bess is young and will continue to be a contributor, but Ginn, just too little too late. Many of you will be saying he needs more time, that he has improved...yada yada...the fact is, he is inconsistent and incapable of being a game changer or game breaker.

We got exposed for what we are, a good team that over-achieved, with many holes to fill.

We'll see many changes again next year...it's all good though. We'll be better for this.
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Agreed until I read the bit about Ginn.
 
seriously give me a break

Ginn improved in every category this season while playing with a QB whose MO is to throw short dump off passes..

Once Pennington moves on and Henne takes more shots down the field Ginn will truly blossom, but even now you can see the improvement in him..

Camarillo and Bess did very well this season because they fit exactly what Pennington likes to throw to.. intermediate routes, or quick dump offs.. There is a reason they all pretty much had the same amount of catches while Ginn still had about 200 yards more on both of them.. (And yes I realize Camarillo got injured but Bess pretty much came right in and became Camarillo to finish out the year)

Ginn is fine, I am not dissapointed with him at all and I think he is coming along nicely..
 
My god you really hate Ted Ginn. How can you say that he is incapable of being a game breaker when he has done it a few times this year. Did you not see last weeks game against the Jets?
 
Rhody Phins Fan said:
My god you really hate Ted Ginn. How can you say that he is incapable of being a game breaker when he has done it a few times this year. Did you not see last weeks game against the Jets?
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Well if your going to use that logic, then what about ginn against say kansas city, oakland, seattle, buffalo (2nd game), et al. Need I say more?

I like ginn but he is not where he needs to be in terms of where we took him. He has made some good strides and shows up in some games but he has severe cases of the "chambersitis" at times.

I will give him one more year considering the coaching and qb carousel. I think at this point, he could develop into a good number 2 but isn't even showing flashes at all of being a solid number 1.
 
phinfreak said:
We all hoped to win this game, but c'mon...if you know anything about football, you know the Ravens have superior talent, and they play to their level consistently.
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Is that why they won 5 games and were our only win last year? Or why they were 2-5 in the regular season this year against teams that made the playoffs? They're a better team than the Dolphins right now sure, but they're a 2nd tier team that cannot make it to the Super Bowl. And with their aging defense, the window of opportunity is closing.
 
Incredible, WHY THE HELL ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT GINN!!! HE STILL HAS MANY YEARS LEFT ON CONTRACT.....HE IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE, HE WILL BE HERE FOR A WHILE, GET USED TO IT AND GET ON WITH IT......DAMN.
 
CPtoTGfor6 said:
Well if your going to use that logic, then what about ginn against say kansas city, oakland, seattle, buffalo (2nd game), et al. Need I say more?
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I don't understand what you mean by this. He had gamebreaking plays in all of those games. Do you agree or disagree that he has gamebreaking talent?
 
CPtoTGfor6 said:
I like ginn but he is not where he needs to be in terms of where we took him.
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Did you know that Ginn has better numbers in his first season and his second season than Reggie Wayne did? I'm not sure why people are so discouraged with Ginn. He has clearly made progress.
 
mm3 said:
Is that why they won 5 games and were our only win last year? Or why they were 2-5 in the regular season this year against teams that made the playoffs? They're a better team than the Dolphins right now sure, but they're a 2nd tier team that cannot make it to the Super Bowl. And with their aging defense, the window of opportunity is closing.
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Last year does not matter. You forget that the nucleus of that team went 13-3 in 2006, if you want to cite history. And why can't they make the Super Bowl? Tennessee is not as hot as they were, and they have come close to topping off the Steelers. They could shut down Sproles and LT easily.
 
Rhody Phins Fan said:
Did you know that Ginn has better numbers in his first season and his second season than Reggie Wayne did? I'm not sure why people are so discouraged with Ginn. He has clearly made progress.
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also better numbers than roddy white... terrell owens those are just off the top of my head
 
Rhody Phins Fan said:
Did you know that Ginn has better numbers in his first season and his second season than Reggie Wayne did? I'm not sure why people are so discouraged with Ginn. He has clearly made progress.
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Might be the QB play. Reggie Wayne only had someone named Peyton Manning in his rookie year while Ginn had Trent Green, John Beck and Cleo Lemon.
 
Rhody Phins Fan said:
I don't understand what you mean by this. He had gamebreaking plays in all of those games. Do you agree or disagree that he has gamebreaking talent?
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Gamebreaking plays?? What ones? The ones where he had 6-7 catches for 90-100 yards and 1-2 td catches a game against those awful teams? I guess I watching a different team?

I don't think I would call any of his performances against those teams "gamebreaking"??

Is the raw talent there? Sure but so do a bunch of other guys in the NFL. It is up to the coaching staff to get him ready or for him to dedicate his life to the NFL. I don't think it is the former but rather the later. Just not sure he is really going to amount to anything other than a decent number 2 at this point.
 
Rhody Phins Fan said:
Did you know that Ginn has better numbers in his first season and his second season than Reggie Wayne did? I'm not sure why people are so discouraged with Ginn. He has clearly made progress.
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Numbers? Who cares? It is all about pulling double coverages and other intangibles that allows guys like wayne to be as good as they are. Well peyton manning helps too. There are a bunch of players in the NFL that have gaudy numbers over a career but still didn't amount to much because they played 15 years.

Progress? Yes he is a different receiver than earlier in the year. He has grown some but nowhere near where he should be for a top 10 pick. It isn't all his fault though. We will see where he is after another season. Then we can judge.
 
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