Policewoman: Appalling behavior from Stark's arresting officer

[LDaniel7]

Stark's attorney noted that one of the passengers in Stark's vehicle was a Chicago policewoman. He said that she was appalled by the behavior of the arresting officer.

Which speaks to the issue of a. being able to contextualize the charges, and b. able to understand police reports for what they are, and c. realize the high degree of corruption that exists in law enforcement today.

An officer can take fairly innocuous behavior and criminalize it without much problem whatsoever. It pretty much happens every day. And if you don't have money or witnesses, you're screwed. AND if the tape of the arrest proves the side of the defendant, it usually disappears. 90 percent of the time that a lawful [officer vehicle] filming of the arrest demonstrates unlawful/improper behavior of the arresting officer, that film is gone by time of court appearance. Which is why many officers HATE the fact of civilian filming. Anytime an officer hates civilian filming, you know all you need to know about that officer: he's corrupt, whatever else he says. He wants to be able to pick and choose the facts of prosecution. He wants to build in "wiggle room" on his side and NOT on the defendants side. This is a game. A twisted one that so-called "good cops" use and call themselves just.

Law enforcement is too often not about justice today. It's often a game of employment and power.

I was not really surprised at the initial behavior of some of this board who claimed law enforcement background... but that behavior is totally in line with how the arresting officer acted here: without such justifying behavior that is unable or unwilling to see the real facts and context of the case, this kind of officer could not operate. But the sad fact is that this kind of officer is in every city and county and state organization -- continuing to operate and pervert justice, knee jerk justified by fellow officers who themselves claim to be "good," who themselves claim to "know the law." "Oh, it's a matter for the courts now," they say, acting as if it's just another good days work... AFTER the twisted machinations to get it in court!

You guys know who you are. Without you, rogue cops could not operate.

Anyway, here's the quote of Stark's lawyer:

Starks' attorney Ed O'Donnell disputed the police report, saying that the vehicle never struck the police officer, that the arrest was "racially motivated" and completely without cause.

"It was racially motivated in my heart of hearts, but I want to make something clear," O'Donnell said. "The officer had the right to pull him over, but not handcuff him, search for drugs and arrest him the moment Randy stepped out of the car.

"That was totally illegal and violated the very essence of the fourth amendment.

"How could Randy see him on the side of the car? The guy couldn't reach the window with a step ladder. Randy didn't do anything wrong and I will do everything I can to establish his innocence."

O'Donnell added that alcohol wasn't involved or else a sobriety test would've been administered. He said that nine people were in the car, including Dolphins linebacker William Kershaw, and not 13 as the report indicated.

He added that one of the passengers was a Chicago policewoman, who he said was appalled by the arresting officer's behavior.

Interesting, no?

LD

 

[Nublar7]

Maybe, but I think a police woman should know better then overloading a car with to many passengers. Wouldn't her behavior also be appalling?

It is very possible that the office overreacted against Starks and that he shouldn't have been arrested or charged with what he was. However, he is not completely innocent.

I do believe this whole incident will be reduced to lesser charges and everything will turn out OK. He probably won't be suspended by the team.

 

[Vaark]

Wonder if she was the one squirming on his lap.

(Still maintaining there are 3-sides to most every story. Her account may be accurate or she too could be full of ****).

 

[dan lake worth]

Before the facts come out it's hard to say what happened.Have the police ever framed anyone?Is it really common practice or did that happen here?Do attorneys use the race card?Every case is its own and I hope this can be worked out out-it does not sound like we have the whole story.

 

[LDaniel7]

Maybe, but I think a police woman should know better then overloading a car with to many passengers. Wouldn't her behavior also be appalling?

It is very possible that the office overreacted against Starks and that he shouldn't have been arrested or charged with what he was. However, he is not completely innocent.

I do believe this whole incident will be reduced to lesser charges and everything will turn out OK. He probably won't be suspended by the team.

Again, context. Her behavior was not appalling or in anyway threatening to health... if you understand context. Everyone in the vehicle knew that it would be 2 miles per hour, etc. This is in the same line that law enforcement personnel and dignitaries "break" road laws in parades: they stand on back of vehicles, overload them, etc. Technically those things violate moving vehicle codes, unless you remember context.

It's freaking elementary. And only a rogue officer tries to use the letter of the law to 100 percent violate the spirit of the law. A good officer always applies the law in context and never tries to use the technical part to destroy a persons life and reputation -- just for doing something that law officers do all the time.

People need to buy a clue. Especially those who pride themselves on understanding law and enforcement.

LD

 

[dlockz]

Stark's attorney noted that one of the passengers in Stark's vehicle was a Chicago policewoman. He said that she was appalled by the behavior of the arresting officer.

Which speaks to the issue of a. being able to contextualize the charges, and b. able to understand police reports for what they are, and c. realize the high degree of corruption that exists in law enforcement today.

An officer can take fairly innocuous behavior and criminalize it without much problem whatsoever. It pretty much happens every day. And if you don't have money or witnesses, you're screwed. AND if the tape of the arrest proves the side of the defendant, it usually disappears. 90 percent of the time that a lawful [officer vehicle] filming of the arrest demonstrates unlawful/improper behavior of the arresting officer, that film is gone by time of court appearance. Which is why many officers HATE the fact of civilian filming. Anytime an officer hates civilian filming, you know all you need to know about that officer: he's corrupt, whatever else he says. He wants to be able to pick and choose the facts of prosecution. He wants to build in "wiggle room" on his side and NOT on the defendants side. This is a game. A twisted one that so-called "good cops" use and call themselves just.

Law enforcement is too often not about justice today. It's often a game of employment and power.

I was not really surprised at the initial behavior of some of this board who claimed law enforcement background... but that behavior is totally in line with how the arresting officer acted here: without such justifying behavior that is unable or unwilling to see the real facts and context of the case, this kind of officer could not operate. But the sad fact is that this kind of officer is in every city and county and state organization -- continuing to operate and pervert justice, knee jerk justified by fellow officers who themselves claim to be "good," who themselves claim to "know the law." "Oh, it's a matter for the courts now," they say, acting as if it's just another good days work... AFTER the twisted machinations to get it in court!

You guys know who you are. Without you, rogue cops could not operate.

Anyway, here's the quote of Stark's lawyer:

Interesting, no?

LD

Not all that interesting to me really, The lawyer is claiming alot of things. Just as you claim the police are so corrupt, lawyers may have a worse reputation.

This lawyer's main focus is to get his client off. Guilt or innocence is not the lawyer's objective.

So because one of the women that piled into a vehicle may not have liked the arrest was a policewoman really has no bearing to me and shouldnt to you since you seem to think cops have no honor overall.

Was this woman sitting on the console or which lap was she sitting in.
That is also of little consequence but makes her sound more like a groupy than a policewoman.

I dont know what happened and was not there but it seems that maybe if Starks had not overcrowded his vehicle and possibly had improper tags we would not even be having this convo.

 

[napsndreds]

the truth will come out in time...

 

[NYNCDOLFAN]

Why is it the race card is always played and of course the "policewoman" from chicago is going to say that, she obviously his friend whats she going to say he was wrong.... There are 2 sides to every story then there's the truth...

 

[phinphan4life]

I think it'll be interesting to see how this all unfolds. I don't believe we'll ever get the complete truth from either side of the parties involved.

 

[napsndreds]

i think, another police officer would know proper protocol call when they see it..and if she puts herself out there like this her job too would be on the line.unless this is stark's wife, i dont see why one would lie about anything on the stand.

 

[GoonBoss]

She sort of loses some credibility with me when she's a cop that's in a vehicle with invalid tags, and, overloaded. It's appalling behavior, indeed...On someone's part.

 

[Avigatorx]

Before the facts come out it's hard to say what happened.Have the police ever framed anyone?Is it really common practice or did that happen here?Do attorneys use the race card?Every case is its own and I hope this can be worked out out-it does not sound like we have the whole story.

It isnt a matter of a rogue police officer trying to "frame" someone for a crime they didnt commit.

I have seen this frequently, and encountered it first hand myself. You see, it is a little known charge that you wont find in any statutes or ordinances.

It is called "comtempt of cop." Some police officers believe they can do no wrong, heaven forbid anyone disputes that. If a cop doesnt like you he can go out of his way to manufacture a charge that will "teach you a lesson."

You tend to see this alot more in smaller cities. Police officers in cities like NY, LA, Chicago for example, are usually busy trying to fight real crime to worry about crap like this, as opposed to trying to manufacture an income for the local government via issuing traffic citations.

Don't get me wrong, for every ******* cop, there are many more VERY good police officers out there, unfortunately, it's the guys with the ego that end up giving a bad name to one of the most honorable professions in this country.

As a small PS, it always makes me wince when I hear the "race card" argument. Things like this happen to everyone, and in a city as ethnically diverse as Miami I have a hard time believing that race was the motivating factor behind the stop, particularly in light of the fact that it was some sort of hip hop weekend. But lets not kid ourselves, Florida has plenty of good-ole' boys, it certainly isnt out of the realm of possibility.

 

[dlockz]

She sort of loses some credibility with me when she's a cop that's in a vehicle with invalid tags, and, overloaded. It's appalling behavior, indeed...On someone's part.

i dont knock her for the tags, how would she know?

Piling into a vehicle like a groupy though makes her somewhat less than a professional though.

 

[dlockz]

She sort of loses some credibility with me when she's a cop that's in a vehicle with invalid tags, and, overloaded. It's appalling behavior, indeed...On someone's part.

i dont knock her for the tags, how would she know?

Piling into a vehicle like a groupy though makes her somewhat less than a professional though.

 

[sleek]

Police officers are allowed to grab the door rung and pull themselves right up onto the step of a cab if they suspect foul behavior so I don't understand about the lawyer saying he couldn't see inthe window or Randy couldn't see him. If police officers weren't allowed to do this everyone would drive around in tall vehicles so they could break the law.