Poll: Has Jeff already earned another year?

[ohall]

Yes, it is amazing how this fan base has gotten used to accepting LOSING. It's going to get worse over time. Currently we only have a few fans left who remember the championships. Soon we will only have a few fans left who remember the Marino years. Then we will have even fewer fans left who remember the boring winning seasons under Wannstedt. When that happens they will continue to defend Ireland when our four year record is 4-12, 4-12, 3-13, 4-12. Don't forget, Matt Millen had his defenders as well -- all the way up until the end.

I see what you two are saying here, I really do. The difference IMO is that Jeff has looked like a different GM this off-season, to this point. IMO in no way has he earned more years as our GM, but I don't think the ppl that are supporting Ireland at this point are totally blind Dolphin fans. There is cause to be positive at this point. Yes, I do understand you'd have to totally ignore his past decisions.

 

[tylerdolphin]

I really wish this was a public poll so I could know exactly who voted to keep him regardless.

If you voted yes, please do me a favor and state so in this thread so I can disregard your football opinions from this point forward.

 

[z926538]

Ireland is just part of a team including Philbin, the scouts, coaches and everyone else. To attribute our results the season to Ireland good or bad is a bit wrong. The draft to me is a biggie but if Ireland drafts well I think we could be building something special here and continuity is important in seeing that through.

2-14, 2-14, 2-14, 2-14 with no roster changes is continuity. You would be in favor of keeping the GM around under those circumstances? If not, what makes 7-9, 7-9, 6-10, 7-9 any different?

 

[ohall]

You fire them both. Enough with the excuse making and finger pointing.

I totally agree. If they go 7-9 or something like that they both deserve to be fired, Ireland and Philbin. I make only one caveat with this, short of a major injury to a player that is.

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I really wish this was a public poll so I could know exactly who voted to keep him regardless.

If you voted yes, please do me a favor and state so in this thread so I can disregard your football opinions from this point forward.

lol that's harsh. :)

 

[Gonzo]

I see what you two are saying here, I really do. The difference IMO is that Jeff has looked like a different GM this off-season, to this point. IMO in no way has he earned more years as our GM, but I don't think the ppl that are supporting Ireland at this point are totally blind Dolphin fans. There is cause to be positive at this point. Yes, I do understand you'd have to totally ignore his past decisions.

I was on the fire him with Sparano bandwagon, but he gave me hope of him changing when he FINALLY addressed the most important position in football, even if it was the obvious pick. But I'm not fully onboard yet. It truly starts with the draft and whether his big FA moves pay off.

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I really wish this was a public poll so I could know exactly who voted to keep him regardless.

If you voted yes, please do me a favor and state so in this thread so I can disregard your football opinions from this point forward.

Time for a "Taking Names" thread?

 

[tylerdolphin]

lol that's harsh. :)

Not really. Anyone who voted yes proved they are completely and utterly incapable of being objective about anything to do with the Miami Dolphins. This season is win or GTFO for Ireland.

 

[Spesh]

No one wanted the Jets GM job because that GM would not have been able to hire his own coach. The owner had committed to Ryan and gave him an extension. So the Jets ended up with an inexperienced capologist as the GM. So if you want Ireland fired at the end of this year should the team not have a winning record, then 1) either Philbin gets fired too or 2) you end up with an inferior GM as a replacement for Ireland.

Proof. Show me evidence.

And they hired a capologist because their cap is crap. They interviewed Brian Gaine, Tom Gamble, and others who are more draft oriented. None of them turned down the job. They just werent offered it because Woody Johnson decided to deal with their immediate problem.

And yes, a singular example means every situation is going to play out the same. You know, much like how all of these played out the exact same way:

Rick Smith hired June 5, 2006. Gary Kubiak hired January 26, 2006.
Jerry Reese hired 2007. Tom Coughlin hired January 6, 2004.
Kevin Colbert hired 2000. Bill Cowher hired 1992.
Randy Mueller, hired June 6, 2005. Nick Saban hired December 25, 2004
Ozzie Newsome, hired November 22, 2002. Brian Billick hired January 19, 1999.
Ted Thompson, hired 2005. Mike Sherman hired 2000.

As you can see, some of the more talented and respected general managers (…oh and that other guy, Mueller) were hired after their coaches were on the team. Multiple general managers I listed are still on their respective teams and the coaches stayed for numerous years before any changes were made. From that list only Mike Sherman was fired after a single season though this was due to him accumulating one of the worst season records in franchise history. I chose those examples because of the diversity of situations. Every situation is different, which is my point. I find it hard to believe Ross would allow someone to fire his handpicked head coach.

http://www.finheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?329950-The-Ireland-Mythology-Index&highlight=

Man, would sure hate to follow the Steelers, Ravens, and Giants examples. Superbowl rings? Sounds horrible.

There are only 32 general manager jobs in the NFL. Actual less counting Dallas and New England. Less than 32 jobs for hundreds of ambitious candidates. Potential general managers will climb over each other to get a chance to run a team. Which is why, despite having no draft picks and the cap of a 2003 football team, people still lined up to get the Raiders job. Jets situation wasnt worse then Oakland, not even close.

 

[Nublar7]

I really wish this was a public poll so I could know exactly who voted to keep him regardless.

If you voted yes, please do me a favor and state so in this thread so I can disregard your football opinions from this point forward.

Personally I refrained from voting because my choice of letting the rest of the offseason(free agency still ongoing and the draft) play out and the regular season results wasn't on there. This is Ireland's third offseason in FULL control of the team and it must result in a winning season and a likely trip to the playoffs for him to get an extension. He shouldn't be extended now based on his excellent free agent class, nor should he be a shoe in to be fired without seeing what the draft and regular season brings.

While you would like to see who voted to keep him, I am as interested in seeing who said he should definitely be gone before we see the final results of what he did in 2013. Oh wait, I can see that. :evilmod:

 

[Patrick_Bateman]

My question to the members is this, If Ireland pulls off a good to great draft, and combined with a great offseason, does he earn another year of employment if we happen to go 8-8, or 7-9 again?

I like what he has done in the off season and feel he will work with Philbin on picks this upcoming draft, but we have to draw the line somewhere.

If Jeff does his part, and we fail, I wonder if Philbin gets the blame thus giving Jeff more time in that corner office.

I'm curious to see if members think that if Jeff pulls out a nice draft, is he automatic for next year?

Ask this question again at the end of the year and we'll have a pretty good idea. For now, nothing has been accomplished on the field. "Winning" in the offseason means nothing if it doesn't correlate to regular season wins.

 

[Daytona Fin]

I really wish this was a public poll so I could know exactly who voted to keep him regardless.

If you voted yes, please do me a favor and state so in this thread so I can disregard your football opinions from this point forward.

I am stunned by the current poll results.

 

[Irishfinfan1]

2-14, 2-14, 2-14, 2-14 with no roster changes is continuity. You would be in favor of keeping the GM around under those circumstances? If not, what makes 7-9, 7-9, 6-10, 7-9 any different?

What makes those different? Do you not know?

 

[Zounds]

I am stunned by the current poll results.

Both answers to this poll are wrong. I'm stunned anyone answered. He shouldn't be fired now, nor he shouldn't be given an automatic extension.

 

[tylerdolphin]

Personally I refrained from voting because my choice of letting the rest of the offseason(free agency still ongoing and the draft) play out and the regular season results wasn't on there. This is Ireland's third offseason in FULL control of the team and it must result in a winning season and a likely trip to the playoffs for him to get an extension. He shouldn't be extended now based on his excellent free agent class, nor should he be a shoe in to be fired without seeing what the draft and regular season brings.

While you would like to see who voted to keep him, I am as interested in seeing who said he should definitely be gone before we see the final results of what he did in 2013. Oh wait, I can see that. :evilmod:

Well, I voted "No" with my understanding being that it meant if we dont have a good year he will be fired, not that I want him fired today.

 

[HarryBagpipe]

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Well, I voted "No" with my understanding being that it meant if we dont have a good year he will be fired, not that I want him fired today.

That was my understanding too. The premise of the op was that If we "have a good offseason" but still have a miserable regular season, what do you want to happen to Ireland.

 

[Daytona Fin]

Both answers to this poll are wrong. I'm stunned anyone answered. He shouldn't be fired now, nor he shouldn't be given an automatic extension.

I voted no based on what the OP asked in his post...

My question to the members is this, If Ireland pulls off a good to great draft, and combined with a great offseason, does he earn another year of employment if we happen to go 8-8, or 7-9 again?