What is X worth?????
Not what you want for X... but what is fair value is the poll.
Not what you want for X... but what is fair value is the poll.
Poll: What do you think X Howard is worth in a trade?
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He is every bit on par with Jalen Ramsey. Ramsey is more stout in run support, X creates more turnovers, other than those areas, they grade out on par as the top 2 CBS the past few years.
We should not shop X even if he must go, wait for teams to inquire.
We should not shop X even if he must go, wait for teams to inquire.
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I voted two 1st and I fully belive hes worth it. Like you just said hes every bit as good.... if not better than Ramsey, who was two 1sts.
X has to go if he doesn't report.... its simply to early to redo his contract, hypothetically we do redo the deal and he balls out again but this time wins DPOY.... guess what, he'll do this all over again.
Its sad its playing out this way, X is clearly hurt we drafted Noah and paid Jones more than him. I think this is about the money..... but it's not ONLY about the money if you catch my drift.
I honestly will be shocked if he plays another game for the Dolphins.
X has to go if he doesn't report.... its simply to early to redo his contract, hypothetically we do redo the deal and he balls out again but this time wins DPOY.... guess what, he'll do this all over again.
Its sad its playing out this way, X is clearly hurt we drafted Noah and paid Jones more than him. I think this is about the money..... but it's not ONLY about the money if you catch my drift.
I honestly will be shocked if he plays another game for the Dolphins.
This thread will be a really great measuring stick of how delusional people are. Cue all the “he’s worth what Jalen Ramsey got” posts. No chance.
What he’s worth and what we would realistically get are two different things - we can maybe get a late 1st for him if we got lucky… more likely an 2nd + 4th.
What he’s worth and what we would realistically get are two different things - we can maybe get a late 1st for him if we got lucky… more likely an 2nd + 4th.
Instead of offering up an insult — which is the typical M.O. for those that can’t refute an opposing argument — how about offering up valid reasons why there’s no chance he’s worth what JAX got for Ramsey?
“Worth” being the key word. Nobody has said the Dolphins will actually net the same return because, let’s be honest, the Rams overpaid and most org’s wouldn’t have made the same decision.
However, in terms of production and on-field play, how about providing some sort of factual evidence or valid reasoning why X isn’t worth the same and why it is delusional to believe otherwise.
I hope nobody holds their breath waiting for you to produce something. I don’t want anyone to get hurt.
The Dolphins netted 2 firsts for Tunsil and he wasn’t arguably #1 or #2 at his position at the time nor was he coming off a career season and in the running for a POTY award.
I get that LT has historically been a more important and coveted position, but in today’s NFL the gap of importance between LT and DB has narrowed. Which is why Ramsey and Adams fetched such large returns.
So if Tunsil netted 2 firsts, as well as Ramsey, then there’s no reason X shouldn’t be worth the same.
However, as I’ve argued about trade downs in the draft, value is dynamic, not static. What you could get 2-3 years ago may not be that you can get today.
It really comes down to whether there are CB needy teams that feel they are an elite DB away from competing for or winning a SB. If there are, then there’s a chance to maximize value. That’s how JAX was able to get LAR to overpay.
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I hope we get a good trade for "X" but I don't have much hope. Teams generally despise "Hold-outs".
KingHydra
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Absurd post. Why? Ramsey, wasn't a hold-out. Being a hold-out is akin to being a leper in 20 AD. Most teams wouldn't touch X with a 20' pole.
I'm not sure we trade him. Smart move is to do like The Steelers. Let him rot a year and sue him for his signing bonus. If we trade him he pockets his signing bonus and that's a loss of 7 million.
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What is X worth? Worth keeping
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Injury history, age, contract demands, and the fact that this last season was his first truly great season. He's only even played two complete seasons in his career. I'd be fine with a first, but I'd love to try to get a first plus a mid round or player.
2 x 1sts, concurrent years, or a 1st and a 2nd for next years draft
His "worth" is really nebulous.
For a team to trade for X, they would have to a) have that specific need b) believe they are "close" c) have the cap wherewithal to carry this year's salary (or foolishly kick it down the road) d) be willing to give him a new, gauranteed contract.
For a team to trade for X, they would have to a) have that specific need b) believe they are "close" c) have the cap wherewithal to carry this year's salary (or foolishly kick it down the road) d) be willing to give him a new, gauranteed contract.
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How is worth defined?
I suspect the front offices of the league go to one of the three draft value charts. Then we have to add in someone having a man crush on a player.
Then add in a team disliking one of their own players or simply being deep in a given position and therefore willing to give that up.
Very hard to answer the original poll question.