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Potential late round impact QBs

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I'm not too big on college football, anyone we should be looking for later in the draft?
 
I like Kevin Hogan in the 5th (he may slip into the 4th)

Very Chad Pennington in his skill set, bright mind and responds well in big games.
 
Like Hogan as well, would add Carson Wentz if he's available late. On the surface a very bad QB class, without a must have guy at the top, and not much depth either.
 
Philbin's Polo said:
Like Hogan as well, would add Carson Wentz if he's available late. On the surface a very bad QB class, without a must have guy at the top, and not much depth either, though.
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If Wentz is the kid out of NDSU...he's a second rounder late 1st kind of player...really like the potential though.
 
Damn, I thought he was a better kept secret, especially being injured this year.

I wish he was, I think that he's a future NFL starter, apparently a lot of other people do too, though.
 
Hogan, Wentz, Nate Sudfeld from Indiana could be a developmental QB. Those are the only late round guys I'd spend a pick on.
 
Sudfeld is a mediocre system product. I wouldn't spend a pick in any round on him TBH. They were almost just as good with Zander Diamont under center (or in the gun).
 
j-off-her-doll said:
Hogan is not an NFL QB. His throwing motion is somewhere between Tebow an Kaepernick. UDFA all day long.
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You beat me too it. I haven't been posting in this forum often but Kevin Hogan is an easy evaluation. His mechanics are disastrous when projected to starting in the NFL. Very long windup delivery and flat trajectory. Closer to Kaepernick than Tebow but worse than Kaeparnick's delivery.

Frankly, Christian McCaffrey has a better and more compact delivery than Hogan.

I'm somewhat amazed Hogan has had as many good games as he's managed. Credit to the Stanford offensive line and coaching staff. There are other games in which he looks absolutely pitiful, like Northwestern and Washington State. They never would have pulled out the Washington State game minus a second half tactical change using Hogan in delayed runs out of the shotgun, not unlike an Urban Meyer or Tom Herman offense. David Shaw has done a great job adding some wrinkles to the Stanford attack this year, after previously being a bit stubborn. Those wrinkles weren't in place for the Northwestern opener so Stanford was pathetic on offense given Hogan's level in that game.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
You beat me too it. I haven't been posting in this forum often but Kevin Hogan is an easy evaluation. His mechanics are disastrous when projected to starting in the NFL. Very long windup delivery and flat trajectory. Closer to Kaepernick than Tebow but worse than Kaeparnick's delivery.

Frankly, Christian McCaffrey has a better and more compact delivery than Hogan.

I'm somewhat amazed Hogan has had as many good games as he's managed. Credit to the Stanford offensive line and coaching staff. There are other games in which he looks absolutely pitiful, like Northwestern and Washington State. They never would have pulled out the Washington State game minus a second half tactical change using Hogan in delayed runs out of the shotgun, not unlike an Urban Meyer or Tom Herman offense. David Shaw has done a great job adding some wrinkles to the Stanford attack this year, after previously being a bit stubborn. Those wrinkles weren't in place for the Northwestern opener so Stanford was pathetic on offense given Hogan's level in that game.
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Awsi Dooger, as to the Stanford OL what's your take on LG Joshua Garnett and LT Kevin Payne?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyhsCki3neg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRLqIuj3eKg

The play at 1:09 of the first clip gives a pretty good indication of why I'm high on Garnett- he can work well in a ZBS, but more importantly he's just good.
 
What about Coker from Alabama? He might be a developer but he definitely has the NFL arm. He should be available late in the draft, might be worth a shot. He's slowly getting a lot better. We'll see how he does in the playoffs but he's a winner.
 
Bad year for QB's. None are franchise players. I would not waste a pick on any of them. This team needs defense and oline players. Those of you looking to replace RT17 will have to wait another few years.
 
Brandon Doughty or Nate Sudfeld would be my choice for late round QB, if either dropped that low. Lynch, Wentz, and maybe Hackenberg are the only QBs IMO that are worthy of a 1st or 2nd rounder.
 
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The positives with Jake Coker are typically what you look for in terms of developing a quarterback, and I emphasize develop. However, so are the negatives. Because that's exactly what he is. He's still developing as a college quarterback. He'll need at least 2 years of developing behind the scenes in the NFL.

First of all, Coker is a big boy. He's a huge kid. In person he's every bit of the 6'4", 230 that Bama lists him. He punishes DB's who challenge him. He's not running out of bounds....you better be ready to wrap up. Coker is about to lower his shoulder into your chest. Secondly, he's tough as a $2 steak. Extremely gritty. Much more mobile and fast than you think. When he makes up his mind to run, he can make defenders miss in the open field. Not a great athlete, just a deceiving one. Certainly more of the prototype pocket passer.

Huge, huge arm. Arm strength is truly exceptional. Throws a tremendous deep ball. Can fire lazers into the tightest of coverage....even between multiple defenders. Throws surprisingly well on the run. Bottom line, the raw talent and size are there. The aspect of Coker as a quarterback that I believe will always be the most underrated aspect, is how well he gets to the LOS and puts the offense in the best play possible. In other words, he gets the offense out of bad plays.


However, he's inconsistent. Always has been. The reason for this is because he's so inconsistent with his mechanics. Which is where Coker needs the most development, and the most coaching. He has bad habits as a quarterback that quite literally drive me crazy. I find it frustrating that Lane Kiffin nor Jimbo Fisher were able to remedy these.

He double clutches the football....a lot. This is something I will not tolerate in a quarterback. We either fix it immediately or I move on. Period.

He has a slow delivery, which bothers me to no end on quick screen passes where we need to get the ball out quick. He gets away with it on other throws past the LOS because of his arm strength. Furthermore, he grips the football too tight. This causes the ball to come out wobbly, inconsistent, and off target. Especially early in big games where nerves are a factor.

I give Coker a priority UDFA grade for a team that likes to throw the ball downfield. His lack of experience as a starter is a huge factor in that grade. That's partly due to him taking so long to pick up Alabama's offense. He should've been starting last year for Alabama instead of Blake Sims, but couldn't pick up the offense fast enough. However, his raw tools are what had him in a virtual dead heat for the starting quarterback job at Florida St. with Jameis Winston.

Coker improved a lot as the season went along. Most of all, he won over his teammates and coaches with his toughness and leadership. He just needs time to work on the finer details of playing the position, and get more consistent with his mechanics. Get rid of the bad habits. The intagibles are there.

He's going to have to work on these fundamental flaws himself. Because backup quarterbacks don't get any reps in the NFL. It's all on him.
 
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