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Potential Targets for trading back from #18; Could it net us an extra Day 2 pick?

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I'd like to talk about trading back from #18, as it seems increasingly likely that Javonte Williams may not be there at #36. I've seen multiple sources saying he won't make it out of the 1st. Last year we "let the board fall to us", and ended up missing multiple RB targets multiple times. As bad as our run game was last year, I don't foresee the FO being as passive. I know we have potential holes at Center and Edge, but the edge class is so poor this year that you're gonna overpay due to supply and demand, and I definitely think the top two Center targets will be there at #36, maybe even #50.

I would agree that #18 seems a bit rich for taking a RB, maybe even for a guy of Najee's caliber, so maybe we can find a trade partner and pick up even more assets for Day 2. IMO, the best targets would be Tennesssee, Jacksonville, New Orleans, And Green Bay. What could the compensation look like?


Here's the bottom of the draft for reference:

18. Miami Dolphins
19. Washington Football Team
20. Chicago Bears
21. Indianapolis Colts
22. Tennessee Titans
23. New York Jets (from Seattle Seahawks)
24. Pittsburgh Steelers
25. Jacksonville Jaguars (from Los Angeles Rams)
26. Cleveland Browns
27. Baltimore Ravens
28. New Orleans Saints
29. Green Bay Packers
30. Buffalo Bills
31. Kansas City Chiefs
32. Tampa Bay Buccaneers


Keep in mind the teams most commonly being mocked a RB in round 1 besides us are the Jets, the Steelers, the Bills, and the Buccs.



#22 Tennessee: Zero Risk, Smaller Reward

If you really want your pick of the litter, this is the spot to be. Much like our move back from #3 overall, chances are the same targets are available here as our original pick. WTF has Antonio Gibson, the Bears have much bigger problems, and the Colts have Jonathan Taylor. What could we expect to gain for such a low risk trade? The value* is almost exactly the same as the Titans 3rd round compensatory pick, #100 overall.

Who could we expect to be available** near this pick? How about Edge Dayo Odeyingbo, Edge Cameron Sample , IOL Quinn Meinerz, WR Demetric Felton, or IOL Ben Cleveland?



#25 Jacksonville: Minimal Pain for a Decent Gain

I like this pick because it seems to be reasonably painless for Jax to move up 7 spots in the 1st (as it's "only" a 3rd round pick), yet gives Miami a much higher pick than the Tennessee trade: #65 overall, the very first pick in the 3rd round. Miami may have to tack on an extra 5th to sweeten this deal, as the value is off a bit. I don't love that it puts Miami behind the Jetes and the Steelers, but we should still manage to snag one of the big three.



#28 New Orleans or #29 Green Bay: Suffer for Success

While we're barely still in the 1st round here, trading back this far could actually net Miami a coveted 2nd round pick. It all truth, it likely would be the same for Miami as picking at #25, as the Browns, Ravens, and Saints all have quality backfields. New Orleans' and Green Bay's picks in the 2nd (#60 and #62 overall, respectively) or Jax's pick at #65 could get the Dolphins some very nice talent, such as LB Jamin Davis, WR Elijah Moore, WR D'Wayne Eskridge, FS Richie Grant, or Edge Carlos Basham Jr.



Obviously, all this assumes someone actually wanting to trade up. Without knowing who's going to fall on draft day, it's tough to say what might happen. Someone always falls though, and I could definitely see a team like Green Bay, being so close to complete, giving up a premium asset to come up and get their guy. For Miami, still getting a premium back while also scoring a Quinn Meinerz or Cameron Sample for free? That would be maximizing value, something that Chris Grier has proven adept at over and over.





*working off the modernized version of the Jimmy Johnson trade value chart from Draftek: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart-Rich-Hill.asp?RequestTeam=mia
**using the consensus Big Board at TDN https://thedraftnetwork.com/prospect-rankings



---BONUS 3 ROUND MOCK DRAFT---


6. Kyle Pitts TE, Florida

29. Javonte Williams RB, North Carolina

36. Zaven Collins LB, Tulsa

50. Landon Dickerson IOL, Alabama

62. D'Wayne Eskridge WR, Western Michigan

81. Carlos Basham Jr. Edge, Wake Forest
 
Unpopular take here, I’m sure, but I’d rather see the Dolphins trade up from 18 than trade down.

Say they stay at 6 and select Pitts. If they could then trade up to the 10-15 range to snag one of Smith, Waddle, Parsons should any of them still be available there (I believe 1 or 2 could be), I’d be all for it.

I’m beyond ready for this team to add elite level talent. This draft has it. So go get it.

Trade up from 36 too, if necessary, in order to get a RB they want.
 
EJay said:
Unpopular take here, I’m sure, but I’d rather see the Dolphins trade up from 18 than trade down.

Say they stay at 6 and select Pitts. If they could then trade up to the 10-15 range to snag one of Smith, Waddle, Parsons should any of them still be available there (I believe 1 or 2 could be), I’d be all for it.

I’m beyond ready for this team to add elite level talent. This draft has it. So go get it.

Trade up from 36 too, if necessary, in order to get a RB they want.
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This team just has too many holes to be giving up draft capital. Trading up in the early rounds is something smart teams do when they're close to winning it all, not when they're still rebuilding.
 
Too many needs to take a RB in rd 1. Dont forget Chubba Hubbard on day 2, rd 3 if you miss on the big 3 (Harris, ETN, Williams)
 
We should ALREADY have an extra R2 in the bank for trading down from #3 to #6

but it seems suddenly folks don't care about picks in the immediate future

they prefer the squirrel stockpile plan...
 
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Someone really good would have to be available. In that case just take the really good player.
 
BigNastyFish said:
We should ALREADY have an extra R2 in the bank for trading down from #3 to #6

but it seems suddenly folks don't care about picks in the immediate future

they prefer the squirrel stockpile plan...
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Or maybe Grier is looking into the future, and doesn’t want the headache of trying to sign 6 starters in one offseason.
 
Gsmack_42 said:
Or maybe Grier is looking into the future, and doesn’t want the headache of trying to sign 6 starters in one offseason.
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Right.

We're so stacked top to bottom the burden of contacts is just too much!

>>> Don't think so.
 
EJay said:
Unpopular take here, I’m sure, but I’d rather see the Dolphins trade up from 18 than trade down.

Say they stay at 6 and select Pitts. If they could then trade up to the 10-15 range to snag one of Smith, Waddle, Parsons should any of them still be available there (I believe 1 or 2 could be), I’d be all for it.

I’m beyond ready for this team to add elite level talent. This draft has it. So go get it.

Trade up from 36 too, if necessary, in order to get a RB they want.
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This is a theory I have as well. Pitts or Waddle at 6 and then Smith falls to 13/14 range trade up to get him. Should t cost you that much and you get two dynamic playmakers.

as far as trading back, it really is about who falls where right, if like Horn and Collins and Parsons and and and are gone yeah trade back and get a later 1st and maybe a 2nd or 3rd this year.

Trade back is too hard to speculate imo, would it be nice; sure. But the amazing trades Grier made I think put everyone on their heels. He made a great move early enough to take a number of things out of teams possibilities meaning there could be chaos on draft day benefitting Miami. Teams may have had an idea of a trade partner or fall back that likely went away.

My guess for draft day....
#6 Pitts or Waddle - both game changers you can be creative and move around

#13 - Smith - smaller frame and such scare people off but as he falls Miami gives up a 3rd and grabs him still leaving 2nds to grab who you want

Gotta remember there will be a ton of June 1 cuts with the cap issue this year so people will be available come camp time to fill some holes.
 
I’m not sure if I like the drop off in assumed talent level from 18 to mid 20s. When a buddy and I did a couple alternating mock drafts, we began to have real problems making choices around 24-25 and sometimes as early as 20.

If it were up to me, we wouldn’t trade down at 18 unless there is still a QB someone covets, and they are willing to give extreme value (like what the Saints gave up in 2018 to Davenport) to make it happen. Especially if we want one of those top five or six WRs
 
Dolphinator530 said:


The plot thickens
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Trade Parker and you're going to be counting on a free agent addition and multiple rookies to play big roles in the wr corp in 2021. Not saying they won't do it or that it can't work, but if you go that route you have to bring in wrs that are ready to produce straight out the gate.
 
I think Grier trades pick #18. To whom is yet to be determined if at all. But if he does somehow obtain another 2022 1st round pick; He easily is in Executive of the Year Conversations.
 
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