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Predicting Miami's Draft Approach

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First off, this is a virtually impossible task. There are far too many variables on draft day that could throw a kink into the master plan, but no question our FO is going into this draft with a vision. The real question is, what is that vision? At this point we've basically heard all the possibilities...i.e. Get big, get better "inside out," find a quarterback of the future as a hedge against the possiblity of Beck being a flop, etc.

Again, I don't know for sure, but putting some things we've heard together and analyzing the track records of the guys we have running the draft, I think we can come up with some general nuggets regarding the possible draft plan:

  • I think, in general, we will build from the inside out. I believe that we are very likely to select Jake Long with the first pick, and I would expect maybe 3 or 4 more linemen/linebackers to be selected before the draft is over. One area that people seem to overlook is our linebacking corps...we are thin at linebacker, and that's a vitally important position in our 3-4 scheme. We are decent as a starting unit, but my guess is that we want to pick up some guys that have potential to grow in the system and maybe win some starting positions down the road.
  • I'm not sure I believe that we are targetting Henne with the 32nd pick. It's clear that this regime has some confidence in John Beck (impossible to know how much confidence, obviously), and this is a team that has a lot of needs. The fact is, there will be 4 or 5 guys that have first round grades that are available with that pick, and I don't really know that we pass up one of those guys to pick Henne. It's entirely possible that we really like Henne and we value him enough to pick him at that spot, but I tend to think we aren't necessarily looking at him for that draft slot.
  • Based on our regime's history, I think we can expect to see some movement. I wouldn't necessarily be surprised to see us trade down from #32, although I think our second 2nd round pick, or maybe our 3rd round pick, is a more likely candidate. Also, don't be surprised if the compensation we receive is a draft pick next year. While it seems that, based on our roster, we would value picks this year to get better in a hurry, this regime has been willing to trade current year picks for future picks in the past, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it happen this year if we get the right deal.
Assuming we keep all of our picks (which is probably not that likely), I see us targeting the following players:

1 - Jake Long - This pick makes sense on a lot of levels, and you've already heard the arguments for and against the pick, so not much more to add.

2a - Potential targets, in my preferred order:
  • Quentin Groves - IMO an underrated prospect that would be an excellent fit in a 3-4. Assuming we are OK with his heart condition, this would be really nice pickup for us.
  • Kenny Phillips - I think this would be more of a value pick. I think we really want to go LB here, but if Phillips is available he may just be too much of a talent to pass up.
  • One of the ILBs - Depending who you believe, there could be as many as 3 pretty good ILBs fall to us at 32. Mayo has probably seen his stock rise high enough to exclude him from the discussion, but Connor and Lofton are definite possibilities. If Groves is gone and we think the ILBs could be on the board a few picks down, don't be surprised to see us move down a few slots.
  • Calais Campbell - Not sure how he projects in a 3-4, but this would be good value for him if we thought he could fit somehow in the scheme.
  • Justin King - This is not necessarily a need position (relatively speaking...we aren't good at CB, but we are bad/really thin at other positions), but this guy represents really good value and could be a great player.
2b - Potential Targets - (Obviously we take a look at any of our previous guys that might have fallen)
  • James Hardy - He's probably gone at this point in the draft, but if available he represents good value at a need position...too good to pass up.
  • Sam Baker/any good value OL - This is a unique draft in that you can find starting OTs into the second round. We probably already have Long, but we should take advantage of this draft's strength if the opportunity presents itself.
  • Pat Sims (Auburn DT) - We don't necessarily have a need on the interior DL, but this guy has the measurables that we like.
3 - Potential Targets:

  • I think with this pick we look at guys we liked before and hope one of them fall to us. If not, this may be a pick we are willing to trade out of - either for additional picks this year or 2nd rounder next year.
4 - I have a feeling this is our TE slot...we know Parcells loves tight ends, so the real question is when do we take one. I think it's either the third rounder or this one, and I like Carlson from ND as our first choice.

For the rest of the draft I think we go value and pick guys, regardless of position, that we think can contribute.

My dream (hopefully realistic) mock:

1 - J. Long
2a - Q. Groves
2b - C. Lofton
3 - P. Sims
4 - J. Carlson

5 - 7... who cares? We already have 5 starters from this draft :).
 
My dream (hopefully realistic) mock:

1 - J. Long
2a - Q. Groves
2b - C. Lofton
3 - P. Sims
4 - J. Carlson

5 - 7... who cares? We already have 5 starters from this draft .

Nice way of thinking, we are gonna have a smaller draft board so if the players we want are gone we'll trade the pick.

Disagree about the 5-7 rounders, some very quality diamonds can be found and can be impact players in the right situational roles. Plus Parcells and Co. love late rounders
 
4 - I have a feeling this is our TE slot...we know Parcells loves tight ends, so the real question is when do we take one. I think it's either the third rounder or this one, and I like Carlson from ND as our first choice.

For the rest of the draft I think we go value and pick guys, regardless of position, that we think can contribute.

My dream (hopefully realistic) mock:

1 - J. Long
2a - Q. Groves
2b - C. Lofton
3 - P. Sims
4 - J. Carlson

5 - 7... who cares? We already have 5 starters from this draft :).

I really hope that Carlson falls to us in Round 4. He was a great TE prospect two seasons ago after Anthony Fasano left ND for the Cowboys and I really think that his draft status slipped last year due to no fault of his own. With Jimmy, Clausen and Evan Sharpley chucking the ball up to everyone but the guys in ND jerseys last year, its a wonder he caught anything. For a guy with his talent to fall into Round 4 would be crazy and I would be ecstatic if we could pick him up that late.
 
james hardy may not be there at 2a much the less 2b. calais campbell fits this defense perfectly. he is strong at the point of attack and a great run defender. would be the chris canty of this defense. TE i think could be addressed as high as 2a.
 
CJ has a good point. BP already said he will not have a board loaded with names. They will only have a list of players they really want to get. People on this site keep saying get more picks. That's not going to happen. BP will trade up or down to get the players he wants.
 
No doubt I think our picks in rounds 5-7 are important, they are just virtually impossible to predict. I think we could all name our top 10 guys at those picks and there's a good chance none of us would be right.

As for Campbell, I personally don't know if I like him as 3-4 end. His weight is about right to be a 3-4 end, but he's so tall that I'm not sure he would be as stout against the run as somebody shorter at 290 lbs. But that is my personal opinion, he may very well be a fit in the 3-4.

I really like Carlson as well. The more I think about it, the more I think we may be lucky to get him with our third rounder. Still, there's certainly a possibility he could be gone by then.

Other guys we could have interest in in the 2nd - 4th round range:

Cliff Avril, OLB
Brian Johnston, DE
Shawn Crable, OLB
 
No doubt I think our picks in rounds 5-7 are important, they are just virtually impossible to predict. I think we could all name our top 10 guys at those picks and there's a good chance none of us would be right.

As for Campbell, I personally don't know if I like him as 3-4 end. His weight is about right to be a 3-4 end, but he's so tall that I'm not sure he would be as stout against the run as somebody shorter at 290 lbs. But that is my personal opinion, he may very well be a fit in the 3-4.

I really like Carlson as well. The more I think about it, the more I think we may be lucky to get him with our third rounder. Still, there's certainly a possibility he could be gone by then.

Other guys we could have interest in in the 2nd - 4th round range:

Cliff Avril, OLB
Brian Johnston, DE
Shawn Crable, OLB

3-4 ends are tall by design. Its about the arm length to cause separation with the OT. Chris Canty and Richard Seymour are examples at about 6'6.
 
Nice way of thinking, we are gonna have a smaller draft board so if the players we want are gone we'll trade the pick.

Disagree about the 5-7 rounders, some very quality diamonds can be found and can be impact players in the right situational roles. Plus Parcells and Co. love late rounders

we dont have a 5th rounder this year
 
No doubt I think our picks in rounds 5-7 are important, they are just virtually impossible to predict. I think we could all name our top 10 guys at those picks and there's a good chance none of us would be right.

As for Campbell, I personally don't know if I like him as 3-4 end. His weight is about right to be a 3-4 end, but he's so tall that I'm not sure he would be as stout against the run as somebody shorter at 290 lbs. But that is my personal opinion, he may very well be a fit in the 3-4.

I really like Carlson as well. The more I think about it, the more I think we may be lucky to get him with our third rounder. Still, there's certainly a possibility he could be gone by then.

Other guys we could have interest in in the 2nd - 4th round range:

Cliff Avril, OLB
Brian Johnston, DE
Shawn Crable, OLB

After seeing Campbell up close for 3 years (see my avatar) I don't know how well he would fit as a 3-4 DE. He is really good at defending the run but he struggled a lot against double teams. So you have both good and bad traits for him fitting that role, but there's more value at the 2A pick if he falls there.
 
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