Pretend Ricky never retired..........

[MiamiDolfans]

I think if Ricky hadn't retired there would be more sympathy, not less.

Funny enig, the fouth post in the thread and my first, answers your question perfectly. Then you laugh at my response as if it doesn't make sense. Then I offer an explanation, a serious one at that. And you laugh about it and throw insults.

 

[LarryFinFan]

...........let's clear our minds for a moment and pretend Ricky never retired. Training camp kicks off and everything's in full gear. A couple weeks before Week 1 is set to begin, you read on the bottom of ESPN's sportsticker that Ricky Williams has been suspended by the NFL for the 2004-2005 season for testing positive twice for mairjuana............

Now how do you feel about the man?

This question is mainly aimed at those who quickly want to forgive the man, especially in the name of a few 100 yard games or a few extra wins. Alot of you easily forgive him, without an apology at all (which is ironic) ........

Common sense tells me that had the media circus not ocurred and all of that babble Dan LeBetard created in the media about Ricky, nearly every single Dolphin fan would've considered Ricky a deadbeat for kicking Paxil in order to resort to weed and put our whole season in jeopardy. Not to mention Ricky wasn't going to be around for the 2004 season no matter how you spin it, retirement or drug habit........ I do believe the majority of you "forgivers" have been fooled by the Jedi Mind tricks of a man who's unwilling to admit his wrongdoings and has forever considered himself an innocent, unique snowflake..........a true manipulator into making people feel sorry for him, even when he's done wrong.

So let's hear it...........again, season's about to begin, we're all excited..........and then Ricky gets suspended........what say you?

I say most of us will never "forgive" RW...however, when (and if) he ever gets back on the field for us and he is running over guys again...I'll cheer him on as I cheer on my team...look, how you, I or anyone else feels personally about this wacko has no bearings once the gun sounds and play begins...

However, I still won't believe anything from this guy until it happens and will certainly be prepared for him to drop out again, get suspended, or move on to another team. He is unreliable as an asset to the Fins...so no one should believe anything from this guy until he is on the field...

 

[Phin-o-rama]

Hey enigmatics, the other day this dialogue between me and you transpired in another thread:



I warned you and didn't take any action and this isnt the first time you have run into trouble with us. I'm sorry, but I'll have to give you a few days off, you obviously didn't keep your word with the profanity...not just in this post I am responding to, but for a ton of posts just in this thread.

bwahahahahaha..............JUSTICE!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


just made my day TT , ty sir :rofl3:

 

[MiamiDolfans]

bwahahahahaha..............JUSTICE!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


just made my day TT , ty sir :rofl3:

 

[Axel]

My first thought is... if Ricky never retired, Wanny and Jay might still be with us. For that, I thank you Ricky.

Exactly. Now that the season has ended im actually glad he did it. If he would of stayed Jay and Dave would probably still be here.

 

[DrAstroZoom]

Hey Enig ... I thought I was clear in my response when I said the question "Whom do you have more sympathy for: a screw-up or a quitter" has an easy answer. To be explicit: the screw-up is more forgiveable, and I would have been much quicker to get over a one-year suspension than quitting the game.

You seemed to be making the point that fans would have jumped on his case just as much if not more so for the suspension. Megatron made the opposite point by calling a quitter something to the effect of the lowest of the low.

Sorry things got heated to the point you felt the need to pop off the way you did. We'll catch you when you get back.

 

[gottahavefootba]

He was to be suspended for a year.........not four games.

He was to be suspended for 4 games not a year. Go check the facts. The year suspension didn't come into play until he retired, in which case if he came back before 1 year he would be suspended for a year.

Having that, I would of much rather had him serve the suspension and play the rest of the year rather then quiting.

The fact is even if he did get suspended for a year it would have been better then this. The drugs would have only been one mistake. Quiting doubled his problems.

How can you think that getting caught on drugs is less forgivable then getting caught on drugs and then quiting? Are you saying you would be even more upset with him if he didn't retire?

 

[albyfinfan]

Hey enigmatics, the other day this dialogue between me and you transpired in another thread:



I warned you and didn't take any action and this isnt the first time you have run into trouble with us. I'm sorry, but I'll have to give you a few days off, you obviously didn't keep your word with the profanity...not just in this post I am responding to, but for a ton of posts just in this thread.

:roflmao: :0wned: finally,.. thanx tate for shutting this guy up.

 

[vmarcilfan75]

Its marijuana...heh

atleast it wasnt coke, making a drug deal, part of a murder investigation,part of a credit card scam, laundering(sp?) money, robbery...

 

[Megatron]

Hey Enig ... I thought I was clear in my response when I said the question "Whom do you have more sympathy for: a screw-up or a quitter" has an easy answer. To be explicit: the screw-up is more forgiveable, and I would have been much quicker to get over a one-year suspension than quitting the game.

You seemed to be making the point that fans would have jumped on his case just as much if not more so for the suspension. Megatron made the opposite point by calling a quitter something to the effect of the lowest of the low.

Sorry things got heated to the point you felt the need to pop off the way you did. We'll catch you when you get back.

But how does it make you feel to forgive a screwup who is also a quitter??

 

[DrAstroZoom]

But how does it make you feel to forgive a screwup who is also a quitter??

See, here's the thing. I have a strong emotional attachment to the Dolphins. With very few exceptions (Dan Marino being one of them), I have very few strong emotional attachments to (or demands on) players. In this era of free agency, I don't think you can afford to. For instance, I think Chambers, McMichael and Taylor are great players, but I don't have a huge emotional identification with them as individuals. Zach Thomas is about the only current player I pin any personal devotion to right now. I still am in ecstasy when the team wins and in agony when the team loses. But as far as personal grudges or worship goes .. not so much.

So I don't feel the need to forgive Ricky or get an apology from him. If he helps the team win, I'll be glad. If he drags the team down, I'll be upset. But I'm not expecting him to take me out to dinner or send me flowers because he's done me wrong. I just don't need that.

I do think Ricky needs to reconcile himself to the team, and I think that will happen (if it hasn't already) if the team thinks he can help them reach their goal: winning.

 

[Suspended]

I'd be less angry than I was when he talked smack on 60 Minutes. But I've opened my eyes, and looked at it differently since then..

I also have an anxiety disorder. (Not S.A.D.) I have come to understand why he quit. IMO, the guy felt like he let his team down, and didn't know what to do. Running away (in his eyes) seemed like the easiest (and basically the only) option available. Most of you don't realize the effects having an anxiety disorder can have on your train of thought. Sometimes the littlest things can seem like they are so stressful. (Heck, I used to get stressed out over when I was at the store, and they were out of a brand of an item I would usually get. Deciding which brand to get in it's place would sometimes take 10-15 minutes, because I wanted to get something that would satisfy everyone in my house. You've all got your right to choose whether or not to forgive him. I'm looking at it from another angle now, and I do forgive him.

I've done something similar to what Ricky did. (Nothing drug related, and certainly nothing I'm going to go into detail about right now.) Was it the right thing to do? No way. It did feel like the only thing I could do to avoid a nervous breakdown though.

Anxiety disorders are tough to deal with. I am in the hospitality business and have to deal with the public every day. I suffer from anxiety, especially in social situations. I smoke pot when I get home because it helps me calm my nerves which usually have me tensed up and ready for 'fight or flight' by the end of my day.

I have tried meds with little success, most of them make me feel unfocused and apathetic. It's tough to judge Ricky. I think if I got drug tested and knew what would happen to me (get fired or suspended, public ridicule) I might be tempted to run from my job and start over somewhere else. Would I do that? No. Running would cause more embarrassment then standing tall and reaping what you sow.

When Ricky first left, I felt bad for him and made excuses for him to my friends. But as his story continued to change and get more bizarre and less consistent I found myself no longer making excuses. When you have a problem you deal with it, you take responsibilty for it. If you mess up, admit it and move on. Don't cloud the real reason with a load of crap. And when all is said and done and you are given an opportunity to make some sort of ammends: Say you're sorry! An apology goes a long way in my book.