Pro Football Focus question

[Tannenbombs]

How many of you subscribe currently, and how many of you would subscribe if the staff was full of former coaches, scouts, gms, players, etc.. basically if they knew what they were actually talking about and were more accurate?

 

[Phinatic8u]

PFF is just a bunch of fans assuming responsibilities of players of every play during a game.

 

[Tannenbombs]

PFF is just a bunch of fans assuming responsibilities of players of every play during a game.

I'm thinking about taking the same idea, making it better, with ex coaches and scouts, who can actually tell what a players responsibility is. And I wanted to see what the consensus would be if it was actually done right.

 

[xXwarXx]

PFF is just a bunch of fans assuming responsibilities of players of every play during a game.

It's actually not that hard to figure out responsibilities on most plays. A few plays here and there might throw you off, but that wouldn't effect a players overall grade at the end of the year, maybe hurts them at a very small percentage of the time on a game by game basis.

If you can do better, or know someone who can, by all means, show me.

 

[Phinatic8u]

It's actually not that hard to figure out responsibilities on most plays. A few plays here and there might throw you off, but that wouldn't effect a players overall grade at the end of the year, maybe hurts them at a very small percentage of the time on a game by game basis.

If you can do better, or know someone who can, by all means, show me.

Even Bill Belicheck disagrees with you..

 

[Tannenbombs]

Because everyone who works in NFL media uses it, some players use it, some teams use it, some agents use it, and tons of fans use it. I've stated on a few recent threads how idiotic the staff actually is. The guy who created is from across the pond and admittedly never played a down of football in his life. If I had an ex D1 OL coach breaking down every offensive lineman in the league, an ex NFL scout who played safety in college do the DBs. etc. etc. Would people be interested in that? Because I have the connections to blow PFF out of the water and I'm seriously pondering it.

 

[Tannenbombs]

It's actually not that hard to figure out responsibilities on most plays. A few plays here and there might throw you off, but that wouldn't effect a players overall grade at the end of the year, maybe hurts them at a very small percentage of the time on a game by game basis.

If you can do better, or know someone who can, by all means, show me.

I can. And I'm seriously thinking about doing it. With legit people grading who know have spent their entire life around the game.

 

[nick1]

Because everyone who works in NFL media uses it, some players use it, some teams use it, some agents use it, and tons of fans use it. I've stated on a few recent threads how idiotic the staff actually is. The guy who created is from across the pond and admittedly never played a down of football in his life. If I had an ex D1 OL coach breaking down every offensive lineman in the league, an ex NFL scout who played safety in college do the DBs. etc. etc. Would people be interested in that? Because I have the connections to blow PFF out of the water and I'm seriously pondering it.

Go for it man if your connections strongly disagree with the pff ratings go for it. People eat that stuff up anything to help show how good or bad a player is

 

[xXwarXx]

Even Bill Belicheck disagrees with you..

So that's means you cant do better and don't know anyone who can do it better, amd your just talking out of your ass.

I can. And I'm seriously thinking about doing it. With legit people grading who know have spent their entire life around the game.

I would think those people would be working for NFL teams. You got that kind of $? Go for it.

Pff grades every player, every game, that's a lot of film to watch to try and beat out pff. But yeh, I have an account. Pff only seems to be growing in popularity.

 

[Tannenbombs]

Go for it man if your connections strongly disagree with the pff ratings go for it. People eat that stuff up anything to help show how good or bad a player is

Exactly. The main one I talked to, wasn't familiar with it, but his son is in the NFL and he has coached in every league you can imagine (NFL, ACC, CFL, NFL Europe, XFL). I told him about them saying Tom Brady wasn't a top 5 quarterback anymore and he about **** his pants. I just think it could be done with people who actually know what they are talking about and wanted to spit ball with people on here. Because some agents use it to go into contract negotiations, some players use it, some teams use it, and everyone in the media uses it, and like you mentioned fans eat that **** up. It could just be done so much better. And they completely neglect college football aside from the National Championship game, and the Senior Bowl.

 

[Tannenbombs]

So that's means you cant do better and don't know anyone who can do it better, amd your just talking out of your ass.



I would think those people would be working for NFL teams. You got that kind of $? Go for it.

Pff grades every player, every game, that's a lot of film to watch to try and beat out pff. But yeh, I have an account. Pff only seems to be growing in popularity.

Exactly my point. They try to assign people to break down an ENTIRE game. They may be a decent evaluator at some positions but not have a clue about offensive line play. But if you were to take people to simply evaluate offensive lineman throughout the league, that's totally different. And you would be surprised how many ex coaches there are. What do you think happens to them once they get fired or they retire?

 

[Tannenbombs]

Marvin Lewis quote about PFF

"Because they look at some dumb ass web site that doesn't have any idea of what football is. The same website that two years ago that rated Kelly Jennings as the best tackling corner in the NFL. These people who aren't football they are trying to be critical"

 

[Phinatic8u]

So that's means you cant do better and don't know anyone who can do it better, amd your just talking out of your ass.

If you think PFF is some great service just because they grade the players a positive or negative on a play then I can't help you.

Marvin Lewis is right, they dont know what football is. Every play has a different set of responsibilities for each player that you can't tell by watching the game.

 

[Tannenbombs]

If you think PFF is some great service just because they grade the players a positive or negative on a play then I can't help you.

Marvin Lewis is right, they dont know what football is. Every play has a different set of responsibilities for each player that you can't tell by watching the game.

But what if you had people that DO know what football is. That have installed the same exact plays you see on TV for decades, coached the same exact techniques? I seriously think I may be on to something..

 

[Phinatic8u]

But what if you had people that DO know what football is. That have installed the same exact plays you see on TV for decades, coached the same exact techniques? I seriously think I may be on to something..

If football people who understand certain responsibilities had that then yeah it'll garner more attention.