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So who is the Dolphins' starting quarterback?
The only unresolved quarterback situation in the league is in Miami. Daunte Culpepper is the starter, but the Kansas City Chiefs will determine how long things remain that way. If the Dolphins finally acquire Green, Culpepper will likely lose his job. He is still recovering from knee surgery and has to feel uncomfortable with all the talk about Green. The most controversial decision was passing on Brady Quinn, Miami opting instead to select John Beck in the second round.


ESPN ARE PHINS HATERS.
BUT WILL C.PEP GET CUT IF TRENT IS SIGNED?
CAN WE PUT OUR OFF. IN TRENT'S HANDS ?
OR WILL IT BE LEMON, OR BECK.
 
If Green is signed, Culpepper is likely gone. Green can be good but he is aging. Lemon hasn't shown anything and Beck still needs to learn. Best thing for Beck would be to follow Rivers's path and not Alex Smith's.
 
I like Beck and Green should have a few years in the tank as long as he can stay healthy. Its not like Miami doesnt have the weapons to score a healthy amount of points with a competant guy at the helm.
 
If Green is signed, Culpepper is likely gone. Green can be good but he is aging. Lemon hasn't shown anything and Beck still needs to learn. Best thing for Beck would be to follow Rivers's path and not Alex Smith's.

Hard to argue with Alex Smith's development. He is one of the good young QBs in this league, and I expect him to lead SF to the playoffs this year and beyond. They have a good young team developing out there, and I think they had an outstanding draft.
 
Daunte is History, let him go

If Green is signed, Culpepper is likely gone. Green can be good but he is aging. Lemon hasn't shown anything and Beck still needs to learn. Best thing for Beck would be to follow Rivers's path and not Alex Smith's.

Let's look at this like coaches and NOT fans, shall we?

What system and under what coordinator did Daunte have success with?

Linehan.

Was he succesful without Linehan? No. Was ha good with Mularkey? No. So, why would Cameron risk his coaching tenure on a gimpy QB who is ADMITTEDLY not a student of the game? I mean, you guys DO know that Cameron's system is WAYYYYYY complicated, right? It takes intelligence to play in his offense and he KNOWS Daunte's a SHORT BUS QB who relies on his athleticism to hang on to the ball long enough to break a busted play.

He's a homerun hitter, which is fine but homerun hotters strikeout ALL OF THE TIME. CAMERON will NOT entrust his coaching career to CULPEPPER.

So, who out there KNOWS Cameron's system? Drew Brees does but he's GOT a job. Phillip Rivers has a job too. Lemon learned it and he'll make a good emergency QB. So, since CULPEPPER is out of the question cuz he's too stupid to learn this offense, then the only available guy who DOES know it is TRENT GREEN.

Is he too old and too damaged from the concussions, absolutely. But sho me the better alternative? Who can come into CAMERON'S offense and start right away and give the Phins a fighting chance?

TRENT GREEN.

So, you draft a Phillip Rivers / Drew Brees kind of guy in BECK (and take a lot of heat from the same idiots that are wrong EVERY year about the top 10 draft picks) to groom and bypass the weak-armed (especially up in Cleveland's cold weather), inaccurate, trainwreck that is Brady Quinn.

You know, I did the research and a HUGE percentage of Mueller's picks are ALL still playing and starting in the NFL! The Dolphin's drafts from 1998 feature a sickening number of guys that were never heard from again. You know, I'll put my money on Cameron's and Mueller's judgement that BECK was a better investment than QUINN.

So, where will the trade market be for Culpepper? There won't be any. Even Linehan will pass on a TRADE, although he'll definitely sign him as a healthy free agent! But no team will gamble a single dime on a guy who's career is probably over.

So, to summarize. Yeah, I feel you on all of Trent Green's negatives... But if not him, who? Because we don't have time to TEACH a starter, we need to PLAY a starter. We'll TEACH Beck, but are we really gonna TEACH Culpepper this offense? Do you know what he did while he was LEARNING Mularkey's incredibly simple offense? He got SACKED.

Do you know what he'll do in Cameron's complicated, sight-adjustment, everybody needs to be on the same page cuz the receiver's patterns change based on the coverage offense? He'll get SACKED.

We don't WANT Green but he's all there is. Unless AJ SMITH goes nuts and decides to trade Phillip Rivers for a ham sandwhich then THAT'S ALL THERE IS.

A fan would say, YEAH BUT CULPEPPER BLAH and DAUNTE BLAHH... Oh please, Daunte is a MORON. He's the DUMBEST QB I've ever seen play! Even Harrington seemed BRILLIANT compared to him, and all he was doing was releasing the ball on time! Not accurately, just ON FREAKING TIME!!

Daunte is too stupid to do anything but run around and hope someone gets open. Green is old, frail and didn't look all that hot in his last 8 starts.

AND.... He's our best chance to have a winning season as long as CAMERON is the head coach and that's the system we're going to run.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT?

So yeah, C-Pep is gone, Green wil either come in on a trade or get released in June and BECAUSE Green knows the offense, Green WILL be able to start after only a few preseason games. Daunte? You could give him two perfect knees and what would that solve? His problem is his feeble head.

He's too stupid for Cameron's offense. Period. He's gone.

And if Beck doesn't develop, Mueller will draft another guy next year (hell, he'll draft another guy next year ANYWAY) and we'll keep moving forward.

Daunte is the past, let's focus on the FUTURE and winning football games!

Oh, and as far as Ricky... Of course you take him back. He's quality depth at a really cheap price! Besides, Booker is a Third Down back type and Ronnie Brown needs to be backed up by someone who could carry the game load if need be. Ricky is the man. If he smokes more pot, you've got options. But right now, you welcome him back with open arms.

Green, Brown and Ricky, 2 big fullbacks, Ginn on one side, Booker on the other and Chambers in his NATURAL position, the slot. I have NO IDEA how our fullback will play, but if he's DECENT then we'll have the makings of a SOLID offense. Not great, but we don't HAVE to be great to wim games! We just have to STOP BEING TERRIBLE, which we were.

One deep pass to Ginn and the middle will open up for Green and the TE's. Threaten the middle, tie up the linebackers with the TE's and watch Ronnie, Ricky and the Fullbacks make good yardage in the flats! Show a flat pass and lull the defense into a cover 2 scheme and then let GINN and CHAMBERS do what they do!

Cameron's system is simple in nature... You can't cover EVERYTHING. That's what it says to defenses. However, while most offensive plays have specific routes to run and blocking schemes, Cameron's has check with me's and adjustments made ON THE FLY based on what the defense is doing. See, if they're manned up, you break off your pattern or do a cross. If it's zone, you go STARIGHT to the hole in the zone. Why? Cuz you can't cover EVERYTHING!

As long as the QB and the WR's are on the same page pre-snap, there's n nothing much a defense can do other than to try and disguise their coverages and get lucky.

Now do you see why Culpepper isn't the guy for us? Did you see him throw that pick RIGHT INTO JOEY PORTER'S HANDS? And that was on an offensive play where all he had to do was follow ONE offensive key, look at the safety! He ignored the safety (He backed up, as did the rest of the Defense which any QB could see it's zone) locked in on his guy and then, threw behind him and RIGHT into Porter. He sucks. He's gotta go.

Let's hope Green can avoid short bus throws like that!

Go Phins!
 
Let's look at this like coaches and NOT fans, shall we?

What system and under what coordinator did Daunte have success with?

Linehan.

Was he succesful without Linehan? No. Was ha good with Mularkey? No. So, why would Cameron risk his coaching tenure on a gimpy QB who is ADMITTEDLY not a student of the game? I mean, you guys DO know that Cameron's system is WAYYYYYY complicated, right? It takes intelligence to play in his offense and he KNOWS Daunte's a SHORT BUS QB who relies on his athleticism to hang on to the ball long enough to break a busted play.

He's a homerun hitter, which is fine but homerun hotters strikeout ALL OF THE TIME. CAMERON will NOT entrust his coaching career to CULPEPPER.

So, who out there KNOWS Cameron's system? Drew Brees does but he's GOT a job. Phillip Rivers has a job too. Lemon learned it and he'll make a good emergency QB. So, since CULPEPPER is out of the question cuz he's too stupid to learn this offense, then the only available guy who DOES know it is TRENT GREEN.

Is he too old and too damaged from the concussions, absolutely. But sho me the better alternative? Who can come into CAMERON'S offense and start right away and give the Phins a fighting chance?

TRENT GREEN.

So, you draft a Phillip Rivers / Drew Brees kind of guy in BECK (and take a lot of heat from the same idiots that are wrong EVERY year about the top 10 draft picks) to groom and bypass the weak-armed (especially up in Cleveland's cold weather), inaccurate, trainwreck that is Brady Quinn.

You know, I did the research and a HUGE percentage of Mueller's picks are ALL still playing and starting in the NFL! The Dolphin's drafts from 1998 feature a sickening number of guys that were never heard from again. You know, I'll put my money on Cameron's and Mueller's judgement that BECK was a better investment than QUINN.

So, where will the trade market be for Culpepper? There won't be any. Even Linehan will pass on a TRADE, although he'll definitely sign him as a healthy free agent! But no team will gamble a single dime on a guy who's career is probably over.

So, to summarize. Yeah, I feel you on all of Trent Green's negatives... But if not him, who? Because we don't have time to TEACH a starter, we need to PLAY a starter. We'll TEACH Beck, but are we really gonna TEACH Culpepper this offense? Do you know what he did while he was LEARNING Mularkey's incredibly simple offense? He got SACKED.

Do you know what he'll do in Cameron's complicated, sight-adjustment, everybody needs to be on the same page cuz the receiver's patterns change based on the coverage offense? He'll get SACKED.

We don't WANT Green but he's all there is. Unless AJ SMITH goes nuts and decides to trade Phillip Rivers for a ham sandwhich then THAT'S ALL THERE IS.

A fan would say, YEAH BUT CULPEPPER BLAH and DAUNTE BLAHH... Oh please, Daunte is a MORON. He's the DUMBEST QB I've ever seen play! Even Harrington seemed BRILLIANT compared to him, and all he was doing was releasing the ball on time! Not accurately, just ON FREAKING TIME!!

Daunte is too stupid to do anything but run around and hope someone gets open. Green is old, frail and didn't look all that hot in his last 8 starts.

AND.... He's our best chance to have a winning season as long as CAMERON is the head coach and that's the system we're going to run.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT?

So yeah, C-Pep is gone, Green wil either come in on a trade or get released in June and BECAUSE Green knows the offense, Green WILL be able to start after only a few preseason games. Daunte? You could give him two perfect knees and what would that solve? His problem is his feeble head.

He's too stupid for Cameron's offense. Period. He's gone.

And if Beck doesn't develop, Mueller will draft another guy next year (hell, he'll draft another guy next year ANYWAY) and we'll keep moving forward.

Daunte is the past, let's focus on the FUTURE and winning football games!

Oh, and as far as Ricky... Of course you take him back. He's quality depth at a really cheap price! Besides, Booker is a Third Down back type and Ronnie Brown needs to be backed up by someone who could carry the game load if need be. Ricky is the man. If he smokes more pot, you've got options. But right now, you welcome him back with open arms.

Green, Brown and Ricky, 2 big fullbacks, Ginn on one side, Booker on the other and Chambers in his NATURAL position, the slot. I have NO IDEA how our fullback will play, but if he's DECENT then we'll have the makings of a SOLID offense. Not great, but we don't HAVE to be great to wim games! We just have to STOP BEING TERRIBLE, which we were.

One deep pass to Ginn and the middle will open up for Green and the TE's. Threaten the middle, tie up the linebackers with the TE's and watch Ronnie, Ricky and the Fullbacks make good yardage in the flats! Show a flat pass and lull the defense into a cover 2 scheme and then let GINN and CHAMBERS do what they do!

Cameron's system is simple in nature... You can't cover EVERYTHING. That's what it says to defenses. However, while most offensive plays have specific routes to run and blocking schemes, Cameron's has check with me's and adjustments made ON THE FLY based on what the defense is doing. See, if they're manned up, you break off your pattern or do a cross. If it's zone, you go STARIGHT to the hole in the zone. Why? Cuz you can't cover EVERYTHING!

As long as the QB and the WR's are on the same page pre-snap, there's n nothing much a defense can do other than to try and disguise their coverages and get lucky.

Now do you see why Culpepper isn't the guy for us? Did you see him throw that pick RIGHT INTO JOEY PORTER'S HANDS? And that was on an offensive play where all he had to do was follow ONE offensive key, look at the safety! He ignored the safety (He backed up, as did the rest of the Defense which any QB could see it's zone) locked in on his guy and then, threw behind him and RIGHT into Porter. He sucks. He's gotta go.

Let's hope Green can avoid short bus throws like that!

Go Phins!

this is one of the most biased and full of crap posts I have read in a week... to me, it is blatently obvious who the one too stupid to get it is... and it isn't Daunte
 
why do people feel that a player cant learn a system. Do you not believe that people can learn these things fast? lol
 
Let's look at this like coaches and NOT fans, shall we?

What system and under what coordinator did Daunte have success with?

Linehan.

Was he succesful without Linehan? No. Was ha good with Mularkey? No. So, why would Cameron risk his coaching tenure on a gimpy QB who is ADMITTEDLY not a student of the game? I mean, you guys DO know that Cameron's system is WAYYYYYY complicated, right? It takes intelligence to play in his offense and he KNOWS Daunte's a SHORT BUS QB who relies on his athleticism to hang on to the ball long enough to break a busted play.

He's a homerun hitter, which is fine but homerun hotters strikeout ALL OF THE TIME. CAMERON will NOT entrust his coaching career to CULPEPPER.

So, who out there KNOWS Cameron's system? Drew Brees does but he's GOT a job. Phillip Rivers has a job too. Lemon learned it and he'll make a good emergency QB. So, since CULPEPPER is out of the question cuz he's too stupid to learn this offense, then the only available guy who DOES know it is TRENT GREEN.

Is he too old and too damaged from the concussions, absolutely. But sho me the better alternative? Who can come into CAMERON'S offense and start right away and give the Phins a fighting chance?

TRENT GREEN.

So, you draft a Phillip Rivers / Drew Brees kind of guy in BECK (and take a lot of heat from the same idiots that are wrong EVERY year about the top 10 draft picks) to groom and bypass the weak-armed (especially up in Cleveland's cold weather), inaccurate, trainwreck that is Brady Quinn.

You know, I did the research and a HUGE percentage of Mueller's picks are ALL still playing and starting in the NFL! The Dolphin's drafts from 1998 feature a sickening number of guys that were never heard from again. You know, I'll put my money on Cameron's and Mueller's judgement that BECK was a better investment than QUINN.

So, where will the trade market be for Culpepper? There won't be any. Even Linehan will pass on a TRADE, although he'll definitely sign him as a healthy free agent! But no team will gamble a single dime on a guy who's career is probably over.

So, to summarize. Yeah, I feel you on all of Trent Green's negatives... But if not him, who? Because we don't have time to TEACH a starter, we need to PLAY a starter. We'll TEACH Beck, but are we really gonna TEACH Culpepper this offense? Do you know what he did while he was LEARNING Mularkey's incredibly simple offense? He got SACKED.

Do you know what he'll do in Cameron's complicated, sight-adjustment, everybody needs to be on the same page cuz the receiver's patterns change based on the coverage offense? He'll get SACKED.

We don't WANT Green but he's all there is. Unless AJ SMITH goes nuts and decides to trade Phillip Rivers for a ham sandwhich then THAT'S ALL THERE IS.

A fan would say, YEAH BUT CULPEPPER BLAH and DAUNTE BLAHH... Oh please, Daunte is a MORON. He's the DUMBEST QB I've ever seen play! Even Harrington seemed BRILLIANT compared to him, and all he was doing was releasing the ball on time! Not accurately, just ON FREAKING TIME!!

Daunte is too stupid to do anything but run around and hope someone gets open. Green is old, frail and didn't look all that hot in his last 8 starts.

AND.... He's our best chance to have a winning season as long as CAMERON is the head coach and that's the system we're going to run.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT?

So yeah, C-Pep is gone, Green wil either come in on a trade or get released in June and BECAUSE Green knows the offense, Green WILL be able to start after only a few preseason games. Daunte? You could give him two perfect knees and what would that solve? His problem is his feeble head.

He's too stupid for Cameron's offense. Period. He's gone.

And if Beck doesn't develop, Mueller will draft another guy next year (hell, he'll draft another guy next year ANYWAY) and we'll keep moving forward.

Daunte is the past, let's focus on the FUTURE and winning football games!

Oh, and as far as Ricky... Of course you take him back. He's quality depth at a really cheap price! Besides, Booker is a Third Down back type and Ronnie Brown needs to be backed up by someone who could carry the game load if need be. Ricky is the man. If he smokes more pot, you've got options. But right now, you welcome him back with open arms.

Green, Brown and Ricky, 2 big fullbacks, Ginn on one side, Booker on the other and Chambers in his NATURAL position, the slot. I have NO IDEA how our fullback will play, but if he's DECENT then we'll have the makings of a SOLID offense. Not great, but we don't HAVE to be great to wim games! We just have to STOP BEING TERRIBLE, which we were.

One deep pass to Ginn and the middle will open up for Green and the TE's. Threaten the middle, tie up the linebackers with the TE's and watch Ronnie, Ricky and the Fullbacks make good yardage in the flats! Show a flat pass and lull the defense into a cover 2 scheme and then let GINN and CHAMBERS do what they do!

Cameron's system is simple in nature... You can't cover EVERYTHING. That's what it says to defenses. However, while most offensive plays have specific routes to run and blocking schemes, Cameron's has check with me's and adjustments made ON THE FLY based on what the defense is doing. See, if they're manned up, you break off your pattern or do a cross. If it's zone, you go STARIGHT to the hole in the zone. Why? Cuz you can't cover EVERYTHING!

As long as the QB and the WR's are on the same page pre-snap, there's n nothing much a defense can do other than to try and disguise their coverages and get lucky.

Now do you see why Culpepper isn't the guy for us? Did you see him throw that pick RIGHT INTO JOEY PORTER'S HANDS? And that was on an offensive play where all he had to do was follow ONE offensive key, look at the safety! He ignored the safety (He backed up, as did the rest of the Defense which any QB could see it's zone) locked in on his guy and then, threw behind him and RIGHT into Porter. He sucks. He's gotta go.

Let's hope Green can avoid short bus throws like that!

Go Phins!

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Let's look at this like coaches and NOT fans, shall we?

What system and under what coordinator did Daunte have success with?

Linehan.

Was he succesful without Linehan? No. Was ha good with Mularkey? No. So, why would Cameron risk his coaching tenure on a gimpy QB who is ADMITTEDLY not a student of the game? I mean, you guys DO know that Cameron's system is WAYYYYYY complicated, right? It takes intelligence to play in his offense and he KNOWS Daunte's a SHORT BUS QB who relies on his athleticism to hang on to the ball long enough to break a busted play.

He's a homerun hitter, which is fine but homerun hotters strikeout ALL OF THE TIME. CAMERON will NOT entrust his coaching career to CULPEPPER.

So, who out there KNOWS Cameron's system? Drew Brees does but he's GOT a job. Phillip Rivers has a job too. Lemon learned it and he'll make a good emergency QB. So, since CULPEPPER is out of the question cuz he's too stupid to learn this offense, then the only available guy who DOES know it is TRENT GREEN.

Is he too old and too damaged from the concussions, absolutely. But sho me the better alternative? Who can come into CAMERON'S offense and start right away and give the Phins a fighting chance?

TRENT GREEN.

So, you draft a Phillip Rivers / Drew Brees kind of guy in BECK (and take a lot of heat from the same idiots that are wrong EVERY year about the top 10 draft picks) to groom and bypass the weak-armed (especially up in Cleveland's cold weather), inaccurate, trainwreck that is Brady Quinn.

You know, I did the research and a HUGE percentage of Mueller's picks are ALL still playing and starting in the NFL! The Dolphin's drafts from 1998 feature a sickening number of guys that were never heard from again. You know, I'll put my money on Cameron's and Mueller's judgement that BECK was a better investment than QUINN.

So, where will the trade market be for Culpepper? There won't be any. Even Linehan will pass on a TRADE, although he'll definitely sign him as a healthy free agent! But no team will gamble a single dime on a guy who's career is probably over.

So, to summarize. Yeah, I feel you on all of Trent Green's negatives... But if not him, who? Because we don't have time to TEACH a starter, we need to PLAY a starter. We'll TEACH Beck, but are we really gonna TEACH Culpepper this offense? Do you know what he did while he was LEARNING Mularkey's incredibly simple offense? He got SACKED.

Do you know what he'll do in Cameron's complicated, sight-adjustment, everybody needs to be on the same page cuz the receiver's patterns change based on the coverage offense? He'll get SACKED.

We don't WANT Green but he's all there is. Unless AJ SMITH goes nuts and decides to trade Phillip Rivers for a ham sandwhich then THAT'S ALL THERE IS.

A fan would say, YEAH BUT CULPEPPER BLAH and DAUNTE BLAHH... Oh please, Daunte is a MORON. He's the DUMBEST QB I've ever seen play! Even Harrington seemed BRILLIANT compared to him, and all he was doing was releasing the ball on time! Not accurately, just ON FREAKING TIME!!

Daunte is too stupid to do anything but run around and hope someone gets open. Green is old, frail and didn't look all that hot in his last 8 starts.

AND.... He's our best chance to have a winning season as long as CAMERON is the head coach and that's the system we're going to run.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT?

So yeah, C-Pep is gone, Green wil either come in on a trade or get released in June and BECAUSE Green knows the offense, Green WILL be able to start after only a few preseason games. Daunte? You could give him two perfect knees and what would that solve? His problem is his feeble head.

He's too stupid for Cameron's offense. Period. He's gone.

And if Beck doesn't develop, Mueller will draft another guy next year (hell, he'll draft another guy next year ANYWAY) and we'll keep moving forward.

Daunte is the past, let's focus on the FUTURE and winning football games!

Oh, and as far as Ricky... Of course you take him back. He's quality depth at a really cheap price! Besides, Booker is a Third Down back type and Ronnie Brown needs to be backed up by someone who could carry the game load if need be. Ricky is the man. If he smokes more pot, you've got options. But right now, you welcome him back with open arms.

Green, Brown and Ricky, 2 big fullbacks, Ginn on one side, Booker on the other and Chambers in his NATURAL position, the slot. I have NO IDEA how our fullback will play, but if he's DECENT then we'll have the makings of a SOLID offense. Not great, but we don't HAVE to be great to wim games! We just have to STOP BEING TERRIBLE, which we were.

One deep pass to Ginn and the middle will open up for Green and the TE's. Threaten the middle, tie up the linebackers with the TE's and watch Ronnie, Ricky and the Fullbacks make good yardage in the flats! Show a flat pass and lull the defense into a cover 2 scheme and then let GINN and CHAMBERS do what they do!

Cameron's system is simple in nature... You can't cover EVERYTHING. That's what it says to defenses. However, while most offensive plays have specific routes to run and blocking schemes, Cameron's has check with me's and adjustments made ON THE FLY based on what the defense is doing. See, if they're manned up, you break off your pattern or do a cross. If it's zone, you go STARIGHT to the hole in the zone. Why? Cuz you can't cover EVERYTHING!

As long as the QB and the WR's are on the same page pre-snap, there's n nothing much a defense can do other than to try and disguise their coverages and get lucky.

Now do you see why Culpepper isn't the guy for us? Did you see him throw that pick RIGHT INTO JOEY PORTER'S HANDS? And that was on an offensive play where all he had to do was follow ONE offensive key, look at the safety! He ignored the safety (He backed up, as did the rest of the Defense which any QB could see it's zone) locked in on his guy and then, threw behind him and RIGHT into Porter. He sucks. He's gotta go.

Let's hope Green can avoid short bus throws like that!

Go Phins!

This presumption that Cpep is stupid is well, to coin your phrase...stupid. While you make some points about both Cpep and Green, your premise that Cam's offense is somehow more complicated or significantly different than that of Linehan is wrong. These are both base Coryell/Turner offenses. They do some things differently, mainly the play calling and how they set certain plays up through the play calling, but they are the same base offenses. If Cpep was so stupid, how come he averaged 26 TDs and over 3700 yrds a season for 7 yrs ?? Oh, yeah, I know just because he had one WR ?? Come on...he's not stupid.

If Cpep is cut or traded (which is a good possibility) would only be if we do acquire Green and Beck shows some good things in either minicamps or TC...
It's amazing to me, that someone puts in one of these blogs that Cpep doesn't make quick decisions in the pocket (which isn't totally incorrect) and all of a sudden everyone is now saying he's stupid...
 
If Green is signed, Culpepper is likely gone. Green can be good but he is aging. Lemon hasn't shown anything and Beck still needs to learn. Best thing for Beck would be to follow Rivers's path and not Alex Smith's.

I agree, Green would be perfect to have in front of Beck for now. C-Pep will be busy trying to get his career going, and rightfully so, which would not make him a good mentor. Green on the other hand knows he has reached his height and has 1-2 servicable years left which makes him the sensible guy to help groom Beck. He knows that what we want him for.
 
this is one of the most biased and full of crap posts I have read in a week... to me, it is blatently obvious who the one too stupid to get it is... and it isn't Daunte

:yeahthat: You could tell that he really does not like Daunte. I will support whoever they decide to put behind center.
 
Whether it is Green or C-Pep I think we will see Beck in there at some point just because of the fact that Green or C-Pep will be injured. May be for one game or 8 games but Beck will be forced it and I think Cameron will give Beck the opp if it comes and he has shown lots of improvement, if not lemon will be there.
 
The one big problem with your theory is it doesn't matter who is back there they will not succeed without protection. I think we have done a few things to address the line, however, someone needs to emerge. I had hoped it was going to be Joe Toledo, but, shock he is still injured! He is starting to remind me of Eddie "Earthquake" Blake. Looks great but can't get him on the field. Anyway, your other point we may never know if C-Pep can't get on the field either! My question is how long do we wait. At some point we focus on who CAN play not who potentially can play. If we have to I say we start Cleo and get Beck ready for next year when we have more time to fix the line!
 
Let's look at this like coaches and NOT fans, shall we?

What system and under what coordinator did Daunte have success with?

Linehan.

Was he succesful without Linehan? No. Was ha good with Mularkey? No. So, why would Cameron risk his coaching tenure on a gimpy QB who is ADMITTEDLY not a student of the game? I mean, you guys DO know that Cameron's system is WAYYYYYY complicated, right? It takes intelligence to play in his offense and he KNOWS Daunte's a SHORT BUS QB who relies on his athleticism to hang on to the ball long enough to break a busted play.

He's a homerun hitter, which is fine but homerun hotters strikeout ALL OF THE TIME. CAMERON will NOT entrust his coaching career to CULPEPPER.

So, who out there KNOWS Cameron's system? Drew Brees does but he's GOT a job. Phillip Rivers has a job too. Lemon learned it and he'll make a good emergency QB. So, since CULPEPPER is out of the question cuz he's too stupid to learn this offense, then the only available guy who DOES know it is TRENT GREEN.

Is he too old and too damaged from the concussions, absolutely. But sho me the better alternative? Who can come into CAMERON'S offense and start right away and give the Phins a fighting chance?

TRENT GREEN.

So, you draft a Phillip Rivers / Drew Brees kind of guy in BECK (and take a lot of heat from the same idiots that are wrong EVERY year about the top 10 draft picks) to groom and bypass the weak-armed (especially up in Cleveland's cold weather), inaccurate, trainwreck that is Brady Quinn.

You know, I did the research and a HUGE percentage of Mueller's picks are ALL still playing and starting in the NFL! The Dolphin's drafts from 1998 feature a sickening number of guys that were never heard from again. You know, I'll put my money on Cameron's and Mueller's judgement that BECK was a better investment than QUINN.

So, where will the trade market be for Culpepper? There won't be any. Even Linehan will pass on a TRADE, although he'll definitely sign him as a healthy free agent! But no team will gamble a single dime on a guy who's career is probably over.

So, to summarize. Yeah, I feel you on all of Trent Green's negatives... But if not him, who? Because we don't have time to TEACH a starter, we need to PLAY a starter. We'll TEACH Beck, but are we really gonna TEACH Culpepper this offense? Do you know what he did while he was LEARNING Mularkey's incredibly simple offense? He got SACKED.

Do you know what he'll do in Cameron's complicated, sight-adjustment, everybody needs to be on the same page cuz the receiver's patterns change based on the coverage offense? He'll get SACKED.

We don't WANT Green but he's all there is. Unless AJ SMITH goes nuts and decides to trade Phillip Rivers for a ham sandwhich then THAT'S ALL THERE IS.

A fan would say, YEAH BUT CULPEPPER BLAH and DAUNTE BLAHH... Oh please, Daunte is a MORON. He's the DUMBEST QB I've ever seen play! Even Harrington seemed BRILLIANT compared to him, and all he was doing was releasing the ball on time! Not accurately, just ON FREAKING TIME!!

Daunte is too stupid to do anything but run around and hope someone gets open. Green is old, frail and didn't look all that hot in his last 8 starts.

AND.... He's our best chance to have a winning season as long as CAMERON is the head coach and that's the system we're going to run.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT?

So yeah, C-Pep is gone, Green wil either come in on a trade or get released in June and BECAUSE Green knows the offense, Green WILL be able to start after only a few preseason games. Daunte? You could give him two perfect knees and what would that solve? His problem is his feeble head.

He's too stupid for Cameron's offense. Period. He's gone.

And if Beck doesn't develop, Mueller will draft another guy next year (hell, he'll draft another guy next year ANYWAY) and we'll keep moving forward.

Daunte is the past, let's focus on the FUTURE and winning football games!

Oh, and as far as Ricky... Of course you take him back. He's quality depth at a really cheap price! Besides, Booker is a Third Down back type and Ronnie Brown needs to be backed up by someone who could carry the game load if need be. Ricky is the man. If he smokes more pot, you've got options. But right now, you welcome him back with open arms.

Green, Brown and Ricky, 2 big fullbacks, Ginn on one side, Booker on the other and Chambers in his NATURAL position, the slot. I have NO IDEA how our fullback will play, but if he's DECENT then we'll have the makings of a SOLID offense. Not great, but we don't HAVE to be great to wim games! We just have to STOP BEING TERRIBLE, which we were.

One deep pass to Ginn and the middle will open up for Green and the TE's. Threaten the middle, tie up the linebackers with the TE's and watch Ronnie, Ricky and the Fullbacks make good yardage in the flats! Show a flat pass and lull the defense into a cover 2 scheme and then let GINN and CHAMBERS do what they do!

Cameron's system is simple in nature... You can't cover EVERYTHING. That's what it says to defenses. However, while most offensive plays have specific routes to run and blocking schemes, Cameron's has check with me's and adjustments made ON THE FLY based on what the defense is doing. See, if they're manned up, you break off your pattern or do a cross. If it's zone, you go STARIGHT to the hole in the zone. Why? Cuz you can't cover EVERYTHING!

As long as the QB and the WR's are on the same page pre-snap, there's n nothing much a defense can do other than to try and disguise their coverages and get lucky.

Now do you see why Culpepper isn't the guy for us? Did you see him throw that pick RIGHT INTO JOEY PORTER'S HANDS? And that was on an offensive play where all he had to do was follow ONE offensive key, look at the safety! He ignored the safety (He backed up, as did the rest of the Defense which any QB could see it's zone) locked in on his guy and then, threw behind him and RIGHT into Porter. He sucks. He's gotta go.

Let's hope Green can avoid short bus throws like that!

Go Phins!

Wow, terrible post.
 
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