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QB Matt Moore, named 2011 MVP, excited for changes to Dolphins' offense

You can't help it, eh? Despite all the denials, still making excuses for Henne. Bottom-line: you can call me what you want and of course are entitled to your opinion, but it's no better or more informed than my own, especially since unlike me, you've obviously never seen Moore any closer than through an HDTV screen, especially in comparison to Henne, so you can't really appreciate the differences between them including that nebulous "It factor" that energizes teammates.

What I'd call "clownish" is someone who obsessively jumps on every related thread multiple times to diminish any positive Moore opinions or threads yet staunchly defended Henne up until he went down, trying to use the same sort of stats against Moore which in most cases are better than Henne's and in some instances are as good as some of the generally acknowledged better QBs in the league. If you'd just exhibit some impulse control and restraint instead of foaming at the mouth anytime anything good is attributed to MM, maybe I wouldn't in turn be drawn into these threads as a result, pointing out how biased your disingenuous opinion that I reject is. Absolutely Henne is old news, but one's trackrecord of posts is, IMO, a legitimate basis for either rejecting or agreeing with someone's extreme opinion. Case in point, you're one of about 4 foaming Moore haters here. One new one's agenda however was quickly revealed when in an unrelated thread, he compared Henne to Drew Brees. Come on now. Can anyone take his opinion seriously after that? It is what it is.

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.....Nothing but more Henne statements to somehow defend Moore. All I can say is we will see, I hope I am wrong but don't think I am. You say Moore is better, but bottom line is IMO we were/are a 7-9 to 8-8 team with Henne or Moore at QB. They are both back ups. One was new to the league, one wasn't. If Moore starts, I guarantee he doesn't finish the starter and I am not talking injury.
 
im just curious, can you tell me the 3 games ''moore cost us 100 percent ''like u make it seem he did?

i think i know which ones u r going to say, so tell me if im right.

bronco game- ok, did the offense light it up? no. however, we had a freaking 15-0 lead with under 5 minutes to go against arguably one of the worst qbs in the nfl, and especially true at the time we played tebow which was his 1st start of the year. the guy couldnt hit **** the entire game, missed wide open guys downfield, and we had a 15 -0 lead. blaming moore fully for that game and letting the defense off the hook would be like matt moore throwing for 300 yds, 3 tds and 0 ints through 3 qtrs and than in the 4th qtr going 4-14, throwing 2 ints including a pick 6 to lose. would you say moore played well if that were the case? NO, u would say he choked which would be correct. well that is the same thing the defense did, they allowed a lethargic denver offense which looked like a jv high school offense put up 15 points in under 5 minutes to tie the game , including a 2 pt conversion. this to a qb who is arguably the worst throwing qb in the nfl. Moore deff was not lights out that day and no one was saying he was, but to say he was the ''reason'' we lost that game is ridiculous.

game 2- cowboys. again, moore started off strugglish, then looked good at times and then so. he was solid that day, not great, not awful. However, same thing for the denver game, as much as u bring up moores missed passes, he left the field with the lead with under 2 minutes to go. the defense played well at times, but they also choked if u recall, including various times having romo sacked for a huge loss only to let him run free and complete big yard plays and continue drives. again, moore wasnt great that day, but considering the team and environment, and the day being thanksgiving where the cowboys are especially hard to beat, he didnt play awful, and to say the soul purpose of that loss was on moore and defense has no responsibility, would be like saying that a qb who played great for 3 qtrs but in the 4th shat the bed with 2 ints, including a pick 6, has no responsibility for the loss. that was how the defense pretty much was.

game 3- i assume u r talking about the pats game. he started off great, we were up 17-0 at half if i recall, and again, defense choked. now did Moore played great in the 2nd half? no. however, we had a 17-0 lead in foxboro going into the half, we scored 24 pts, but the defense couldn't get a stop.

i believe u win and lose a team, just like the games we won with moore he was a big part of some of them, but im not going to sit here despite me liking him and say he was 100 percent the reason we won and not give any credit to any other parts of the team. well i think the same thing goes for a loss, although he deff fumbles alot which i a very legit concern, to say he is 100 percent the reason we lost those games, rather than direct any blame to any part of the team, including the defense which chokes away a 15 pt lead to one of the most lethargic defenses i had seen on a football field in nfl history that day, i think is a very unfair way to look at the whole picture, but then again, i cant change your opinion.

Say what you will about all other phases of the game....if you had to put the biggest reason we lost all 3 of those games, it was his fumbles.....followed by his inability to generate jack squat at the end of games, which is his calling card.
 
Say what you will about all other phases of the game....if you had to put the biggest reason we lost all 3 of those games, it was his fumbles.....followed by his inability to generate jack squat at the end of games, which is his calling card.

Cutting down on the sacks, QB hits and hurries would help a lot. In the game against the Eagles he was sent to the sidelines in the 2nd half because of a head injury and Losman finished the game. The Eagles had 9 sacks in that game. The Cowboys sacked him 4 times. The Patriots sacked him 4 times. He led the Dolphins to a late TD against the Patriots but but our defense could not stop Tom Brady in the 2nd half.

Holding on to the ball better would have helped but then so would having WRs that do not drop passes and TD passes and having a defense that can stop people when they need to.

Moore is not really good but he is the best QB we have right now.
 
Cutting down on the sacks, QB hits and hurries would help a lot. In the game against the Eagles he was sent to the sidelines in the 2nd half because of a head injury and Losman finished the game. The Eagles had 9 sacks in that game. The Cowboys sacked him 4 times. The Patriots sacked him 4 times. He led the Dolphins to a late TD against the Patriots but but our defense could not stop Tom Brady in the 2nd half.

Holding on to the ball better would have helped but then so would having WRs that do not drop passes and TD passes and having a defense that can stop people when they need to.

Moore is not really good but he is the best QB we have right now.



bingo dude... if more of these guys in moores jock would just say this, there wouldn't be arguments about matt moore every other day on this forum.
 
Say what you will about all other phases of the game....if you had to put the biggest reason we lost all 3 of those games, it was his fumbles.....followed by his inability to generate jack squat at the end of games, which is his calling card.


I hear you man... all these matt moore guys love to beat their chests about being up 17 at foxboro... but than go all mum, when asked the question of why we only mustered 7 the rest of the game? wheres the killer instinct? we have a team on the ropes in their own backyard, and in the second half we come out and put up 7?

going into that christmas day game, i think matt moore had thrown 23 ints in 33 career games. making matt moore beat them was probably their strategy.. moore got streaky in that game, in the first half. like he does in general.. ala the 3 game stretch... than matt moore remembered he was matt moore, finishing with a 50% comp rate, and 280 yards, and the pic.
not a single point in the 3rd quarter, and a meaningless touchdown with under two minutes to go.

not to mention the fact that marshall now gone, and evidently the moore guys think moore will be better off for that, had 143 of matts 280 yards and one of the tds...

matt moore is serviceable sure, but if we want to make the leap... we need better... (like the owner, and many a dolphin fan has said)
 
not a single point in the 3rd quarter, and a meaningless touchdown with under two minutes to go.

So being down 10 pts with over two minutes to go (with your timeouts) in a game you should just quit right? Teams don't ever tie that up or overcome right?

Give me a break.

Matt Did his part in that Pats game. The offense he led put up 24pts. The defense collapsed horribly and made virtually no 2nd half adjustments. Is Moore ready to put the dagger into teams yet? No. Could he? We'll see. This is his first full offseason with the team.
 
I don't honestly give a **** who wins the QB race for the Dolphins as long as they play at a franchise QB level and the long search after decades of hunting.
 
So being down 10 pts with over two minutes to go (with your timeouts) in a game you should just quit right? Teams don't ever tie that up or overcome right?

Give me a break.

Matt Did his part in that Pats game. The offense he led put up 24pts. The defense collapsed horribly and made virtually no 2nd half adjustments. Is Moore ready to put the dagger into teams yet? No. Could he? We'll see. This is his first full offseason with the team.


what adjustments did you want the defense to make at halftime??? it was 17-0 dolphins...

I get so tired of the first full offseason, first ota, argument... we are talking about a 5 year veteran, not a rookie... please.
 
If they draft a kid to be the future then let it start now! I like Matt but Tannehill is there for a reason, he came as a back up so let him be a backup, he's not going to teach Tannehill anything about that offense.
 
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