QB Matt Moore, named 2011 MVP, excited for changes to Dolphins' offense

[AdamD13]

The poster I quoted said we were homers/Henne Haters

I was curious about your statement that "it is about what you do per attempt" because Henne had a 7.8 YPA last year compared to Moore's 7.2 YPA. Henne also had 7.5 YPR compared to Moore's 2.0 YPR.

Henne also put up his numbers going up against Miami's two toughest opponents against YPA in Houston (6.2) and Cleveland (6.5). Whereas the only team Moore went up against in the top 14 in YPA was the Jets, although he went up against them twice.

 

[AdamD13]

that's true, but on the other hand he went 6 and 6 for a team that went 6-10. Does having the same record make Cam Newton a loser too?

Although the San Diego game wasn't counted against Moore it was really his to win or lose. Moore came into the game in the middle of the 1st quarter and Miami had the ball at midfield. Miami scored on that drive to go up 7-0.

Miami started winning games b/c of their defense and running game...in Miami's wins the defense gave up 3 (KC), 9 (Was), 8 (Buf), 14 (Oak), 23 (Buf), 17 (Jets). Very similar when Moore's other good year (cough, cough) when he went 4-1 in 2009. The Panther defense gave up 6, 7, 9, 10 points in Moore's 4 wins and the defense created a whopping 14 turnovers. It was essentially the same team that went 12-4 in 2008.

I don't think Moore is a terrible QB. He is a very good backup, but imo a below-average starter that needs the defense and running game to play well in order to win consistently. Moore just isn't the type of QB that a team can ask to win the game.

 

[FinHopeful]

I have to agree that he was the offensive MVP. Bush had a good year, but he was not consistently carrying the team. Moore made plays, and the team's offense performed better with him running the offense. There is no doubt that Moore did not play well enough to be a valuable starting QB, but he did perform well enough to get the offensive MVP.

 

[2413fanphins]

Only on finheaven do we hear of magical byes for veteran qbs. I laugh out loud when i read stuff like, "well yea, but those three games.dont.count"... is it fair to say they wouldnt have counted had they been wins instead of losses?
I didnt think so.

 

[Dsteve]

Some Henne Heinie Humpers just never quit. Too ****ing funny: you're comparing Henne to Drew Brees, claiming a QB who lost his last 6-7 straight season games is better than one who won 6 out of his last 9....but are calling OTHER posters "stupid"

Where did I show any support for Henne? Obviously his time has run up in Miami but atleast he had the physical skill to play the position. Moore is inaccurate and barely has a stronger arm that pennington with about 1/3 the football IQ.


you do realize moore was 6-7 on the season right? and all the wins came against powder puff teams? We had an even split for run pass because we couldn't pass. period. couldnt block and when we did moore sucked.

obviously peopel much smarter than you or I think the same thing about moore because nobody is offering anything for him, we drafted a qb in the top ten and he doesn't have the job locked down before camp.

 

[LikeUntoGod]

Although the San Diego game wasn't counted against Moore it was really his to win or lose. Moore came into the game in the middle of the 1st quarter and Miami had the ball at midfield. Miami scored on that drive to go up 7-0.

Miami started winning games b/c of their defense and running game...in Miami's wins the defense gave up 3 (KC), 9 (Was), 8 (Buf), 14 (Oak), 23 (Buf), 17 (Jets). Very similar when Moore's other good year (cough, cough) when he went 4-1 in 2009. The Panther defense gave up 6, 7, 9, 10 points in Moore's 4 wins and the defense created a whopping 14 turnovers. It was essentially the same team that went 12-4 in 2008.

I don't think Moore is a terrible QB. He is a very good backup, but imo a below-average starter that needs the defense and running game to play well in order to win consistently. Moore just isn't the type of QB that a team can ask to win the game.

I guess you missed my point. The poster I was talking to was saying that Matt Moore could not be that good because he did not have many (or any at all) 300 yard plus games passing. But the Dolphins were 28th (tied for 28 with the Jags) in the NFL in number of pass attempts per game. We threw less then 3 attempts more then the lowest team, the Broncos did. So why expect a lot of passing yards?

In other words, it was not the QB, it was the game plan.

As I also stated, we had a perfect 50-50 split with 29.3 running and 29.3 passing attempts per game.

 

[Dsteve]

tthey didnt throw the ball because they couldnt throw the ball and against certain team like the raiders, we didnt need to throw the ball.

moore lost every game against a decent team. i knew he was a bum after the cowboys game. ill pass on moore ever being our long term starter, hes a back up at best.

 

[67Stang]

HAHA, so our MVP fumbled 3 games away and didn't win one single close game despite multiple opportunities. Reggie Bush should have won. Maybe they based the award on only the first 3 quarters of games? This has message to Tannehill written all over it so he doesn't assume he will get the starting job. Wow, only in Miami can a QB go .500, lose 3 games with fumbles, and not win a single game in the 4th quarter. LMAO!

 

[67Stang]

By the way, all you 12th best QBR peeps...... Matt Moore's 4th Quarter QBR 68.8 and last 2 minutes of the half 65.2. Ya, that is MVP stuff right there!

 

[LikeUntoGod]

By the way, all you 12th best QBR peeps...... Matt Moore's 4th Quarter QBR 68.8 and last 2 minutes of the half 65.2. Ya, that is MVP stuff right there!

It is what it is. Tim Tebow had awesome 4th Qtr stats but "can't play QB" in the NFL or so I'm told.

For way too many fans a player either sucks or is great while most fall in between. I do not think anyone think Matt Moore is great but he is a solid stable QB that has played on bad teams.

He is also our best choice for starting QB this season.

 

[AdamD13]

I guess you missed my point. The poster I was talking to was saying that Matt Moore could not be that good because he did not have many (or any at all) 300 yard plus games passing. But the Dolphins were 28th (tied for 28 with the Jags) in the NFL in number of pass attempts per game. We threw less then 3 attempts more then the lowest team, the Broncos did. So why expect a lot of passing yards?

In other words, it was not the QB, it was the game plan.

As I also stated, we had a perfect 50-50 split with 29.3 running and 29.3 passing attempts per game.

I guess I did miss your point and still do...I saw where you had posted already about attempts per game and rushes per game...I assume the point is balanced attack, means fewer attempts per game = fewer yards per game. In total agreement there and I think I get that point.

The post of yours I responded to was a statement that said "it is not about the yards, it is about what you do per attempt." I was asking whether you thought Henne played better than Moore last year b/c if it is about "what you do per attempt" then Henne's 7.8 YPA clearly outdid Moore's 7.2 YPA...as well as Henne's 7.5 YPR outdid Moore's 2.0 YPR.

I guess this will be one of those points I never fully understand and so I will just accept that I missed the point...

 

[Predaphin]

Yea, a lot of guys "really" want to trade him.
I suppose for reasons including but not limited to his 88.7 qb rating doesnt mean **** if your not winning games frankly hes the long term qb for the future of this team.

its because some fans play Madden too much. They see they drafted a young QB and they want to trade away what they have. This is reality. We don't even know how Tannehill is going to play, it's not like he comes with rating numbers.

 

[Jersey DolFan]

its amazing how stupid people are. matt moore? really? he didn't beat any good teams and some of those wins he didnt need to do anything. The defense destroyed the bills and we ran ALL over the raiders. he didnt break 300 yards once in fact in his whole career i think he threw for 308 one time in CAR. he's inaccurate and inconsistent. Nobody is offering us a trade for matt moore because everyone knows he sucks. sorry homers/henne haters but we drafted a qb at 8 for a reason, moore is garbage.

:lol2:

 

[2413fanphins]

I guess I did miss your point and still do...I saw where you had posted already about attempts per game and rushes per game...I assume the point is balanced attack, means fewer attempts per game = fewer yards per game. In total agreement there and I think I get that point.

The post of yours I responded to was a statement that said "it is not about the yards, it is about what you do per attempt." I was asking whether you thought Henne played better than Moore last year b/c if it is about "what you do per attempt" then Henne's 7.8 YPA clearly outdid Moore's 7.2 YPA...as well as Henne's 7.5 YPR outdid Moore's 2.0 YPR.

I guess this will be one of those points I never fully understand and so I will just accept that I missed the point...

chalk me up as being just as confused as you are.

 

[67Stang]

It is what it is. Tim Tebow had awesome 4th Qtr stats but "can't play QB" in the NFL or so I'm told.

For way too many fans a player either sucks or is great while most fall in between. I do not think anyone think Matt Moore is great but he is a solid stable QB that has played on bad teams.

He is also our best choice for starting QB this season.

Gerrard played on bad teams and his numbers dwarf Moores. If this is really an open competition, then I would be very surprised if Moore is the starter. I think this may also be a ploy to send a message to anyone who might be interested in Moore and thinks we may cut him.