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Last season Ryan Tannehill was sacked 46 times in 16 games. Have any of our smart analytics guys on FH broken down the percentages to show what % was on the O-line? What % was on Tannehill holding on too long or taking poor options? What % was on the RB or WR not protecting Ryan? etc..
I assume that the bulk of the problem was the O-line, but I would appreciate the data, if available.
It would also be interesting to quantify which O-line members gave up the most sacks.
 
You'd have to watch the games and understand from a coaches POV the calls being made, not only by offensive play call, but also the defensive alignment that is faced and the line protections called. Then you'd have to determine the blocking assignments, the QB's progression reads, where and how the offensive is breaking down, etc. etc. On top of all that, you would then have to determine that if the sack is assigned to the QB, whether or not it might have been a wise choice to take the sack, as opposed to throwing an errant pass downfield, or would it have been a better idea to throw it away.

I understand what you're trying to get at here, but statistical analysis on such matters are only known by the coaching staff and not some formula produced by those with no knowledge of these situations. Any statistic assigned to sacks should be taken with a grain of salt.

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wonderl33t said:
We need a time machine to 2 years ago so ShouWrong could school you on this.
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ShouWrong rode the short bus to this "school" you mention.
 
spiketex said:
Last season Ryan Tannehill was sacked 46 times in 16 games. Have any of our smart analytics guys on FH broken down the percentages to show what % was on the O-line? What % was on Tannehill holding on too long or taking poor options? What % was on the RB or WR not protecting Ryan? etc..
I assume that the bulk of the problem was the O-line, but I would appreciate the data, if available.
It would also be interesting to quantify which O-line members gave up the most sacks.
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For the season our Offensive line gave up 31 sacks

Satele- 3 sacks, 12 hits, 15 hurries
James- 6 sacks, 12 hits, 40 hurries
Pouncey 3 sacks,3 hits, 25 hurries
Collledge 7 sacks, 5 hits, 9 hurries
Thomas 7 sacks, 7 hits, 26 hurries
Albert- 3 sacks,1 hit, 5 hurries
Smith- 2 sacks, 3 hits, 5 hurries
 
it's not the sacks that really bother me. Look at the hits and hurries. HORRIBLE!
miamiron said:
For the season our Offensive line gave up 31 sacks

Satele- 3 sacks, 12 hits, 15 hurries
James- 6 sacks, 12 hits, 40 hurries
Pouncey 3 sacks,3 hits, 25 hurries
Collledge 7 sacks, 5 hits, 9 hurries
Thomas 7 sacks, 7 hits, 26 hurries
Albert- 3 sacks,1 hit, 5 hurries
Smith- 2 sacks, 3 hits, 5 hurries
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Sons of Shula said:
You'd have to watch the games and understand from a coaches POV the calls being made, not only by offensive play call, but also the defensive alignment that is faced and the line protections called. Then you'd have to determine the blocking assignments, the QB's progression reads, where and how the offensive is breaking down, etc. etc. On top of all that, you would then have to determine that if the sack is assigned to the QB, whether or not it might have been a wise choice to take the sack, as opposed to throwing an errant pass downfield, or would it have been a better idea to throw it away.

I understand what you're trying to get at here, but statistical analysis on such matters are only known by the coaching staff and not some formula produced by those with no knowledge of these situations. Any statistic assigned to sacks should be taken with a grain of salt.

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ShouWrong rode the short bus to this "school" you mention.
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he rides the bus of the banned now.
 
miamiron said:
For the season our Offensive line gave up 31 sacks

Satele- 3 sacks, 12 hits, 15 hurries
James- 6 sacks, 12 hits, 40 hurries
Pouncey 3 sacks,3 hits, 25 hurries
Collledge 7 sacks, 5 hits, 9 hurries
Thomas 7 sacks, 7 hits, 26 hurries
Albert- 3 sacks,1 hit, 5 hurries
Smith- 2 sacks, 3 hits, 5 hurries
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I think the coaches decision to move 3 players to different positions when Albert went down is to blame for many of those sacks. I don't know whether that was Benton, Philbin or Lazor, but it was a horrible decision. I believe I read some where that Dallas only gave up 1 sack at OG the rest was at RT, and James gave up many of his team leading hurries at LT.

It still amazes me how when a player around here gets on the fans black list they are scum no matter what the coaches say or what the stats say. If you asked the average FH poster they act like James had a great year and Thomas should be cut, yet the stats tell a totally different story, as do the coaches. Personally I feel better with Dallas at LG than I do Turner at RG. I know few will agree but we have no idea what we have in Turner. Dallas was a decent starter at LG before being moved out of position.
 
But how many of those came from LT for James? That is when he really regressed a bit
 
James first 8 games - 2 sacks, 8 hurries,11 qb hits
his stats for the second part of the season were
4 sacks,4 hurries,and 29 qb hurries
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
I think the coaches decision to move 3 players to different positions when Albert went down is to blame for many of those sacks. I don't know whether that was Benton, Philbin or Lazor, but it was a horrible decision. I believe I read some where that Dallas only gave up 1 sack at OG the rest was at RT, and James gave up many of his team leading hurries at LT.

It still amazes me how when a player around here gets on the fans black list they are scum no matter what the coaches say or what the stats say. If you asked the average FH poster they act like James had a great year and Thomas should be cut, yet the stats tell a totally different story, as do the coaches. Personally I feel better with Dallas at LG than I do Turner at RG. I know few will agree but we have no idea what we have in Turner. Dallas was a decent starter at LG before being moved out of position.
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So.... what would have been your solution? We had obvious depth issues heading into the season and it was more the fault of the previous GM than it was of Hickey & Co. with the reasoning that only so much can be in one offeason. Especially one that was left in shambles from the incompetent Ireland.

The Cowboys line was relatively healthy the entire season. 3 starters play all 16 games (C Frederick, RG Martin, LT, Smith), 1 starter played 15 games (LG Leary) and the other played 11 games (RT Free). Out of 80 games the 5 starters only missed 5 games combined. If you match the games missed and the positions it relates to (LG & RT) you'll see exactly how those sack numbers correspond.
 
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I remember after the season someone broke down every single sack and determined who was at fault.
 
nick1 said:
But how many of those came from LT for James? That is when he really regressed a bit
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Changing sides mid season as a rookie .... He handled it the best he could :(

James is solid . Tough deal for him
 
There's plenty of blame to go around . But I would say most of it was the offense of line.
 
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