QB? Should the Miami Dolphins draft a QB and avoid a potential Ryan Tannehill repeat?
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Hasn't OP been warned about this linking **** yet?
this is going to be a long off season man....sigh
I had no idea how many of our fans hated Tua.
You haters do realize probably 25+ teams would sign Tua to a huge contract at the drop of a hat right?
You haters do realize probably 25+ teams would sign Tua to a huge contract at the drop of a hat right?
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Amateur article written by an amateur writer from an amateur website.
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Tua is light years ahead of tannehill as far as talent. Tua is a franchise qb. Tannehill was not.
yeah - you're right - they should move on from him - good point - you should become their GM because there are a ton of QBs better than Lamar...cmon dude - that's just not smart!
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Just to point out a few errors with your premise and your logic:
Miami Dolphins needs to draft a quarterback
Ryan Tannehill was selected 8th overall in the 2012 NFL draft. The highest draft selection ever made by the Miami Dolphins on a quarterback. This was a playerphinphanatic.com
The Miami Dolphins are in the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row but should QB be a focus in the NFL Draft given Tua Tagovailoa's future?
Ryan Tannehill was selected 8th overall in the 2012 NFL draft. The highest draft selection ever made by the Miami Dolphins on a quarterback. This was a player who was deemed a prospect that would allow the Dolphins to stop the quarterback carousel they have had since Dan Marino retired. The hype was justified. His former collegiate head coach, was also the Miami Dolphins new Offensive Coordinator. The way Tannehill played justified his 8th overall selection during his time at Texas A&M, thereby leading to hope. Hope for the Miami Dolphins fans.
Tannehill's tenure with the Dolphins was met with a lot of ups and downs. He played well enough to earn a second contract, where the Dolphins in 2015 re-signed him to a 6 year, 96 Million dollar contract. Which at that time was substantial. A large commitment to a player with a large history of injury concerns.
The Dolphins, after signing Tannehill to that contract, never saw him play a full season nor play in a playoff game. This eventually led to him being traded to the Titans for a bag of footballs. Basically, a salary clearing trade that was best for both teams.
Where am I going with all of this - history tends to repeat itself with the Miami Dolphins. Fast forward to the present and the Dolphins have a decision to make about Tua Tagovailoa. Yes, the Dolphins picked up Tua's 5th-year option, which will ensure that he will start the 2024, and 2025 seasons, but should they look to re-sign him to a lucrative deal, knowing the injury concerns assigned to Tua?
You need to also take into consideration the Miami Dolphins cap situation. Remember, this offseason, Connor Williams, Chris Wilkins, Robert Hunt and Andrew Van Ginkel are all unrestricted free agents.
Then, Jaylen Waddle, Jaelan Phillips, and Jevon Holland are all looking for contract extensions, with the latter being an unrestricted free agent.
Lastly, it’s not like the Miami Dolphins have a plethora of cap space, they are actually forecasted to be 41MM over the cap. This means a lot of restructures, cuts, trades, and potentially deferring to future years, which doesn’t fix the cap, just punts it to another year.
Do the Dolphins really want to add a 40 to 50 million cap hit on a starting quarterback with injury concerns? Or should they look to foster a team that is built to win.
The Dolphins can achieve this by drafting a quarterback with their 1st round pick in this year's upcoming draft. If Tua leads the Dolphins to an AFC championship game or even the Super Bowl, then yes, this becomes a moot point. But what happens if it is a one and done playoff experience?
Getting a young QB prospect that is cap friendly for the next four to five seasons, and a team that is built to win is a strategy that has paid off. Having Tua around next year to mentor, groom, and teach a prospect is another advantage for the development of the prospect.
Who can they look to target - Caleb Williams is the cream of the crop and a player with a laser arm, and no injury concerns, but let’s be realistic. He’s going top 3. The Dolphins potentially look to create a trade-up scenario similar to how the Bills got Josh Allen, or how the Chiefs obtained Patrick Mahomes.
The opportunity will present itself, the Dolphins would be wise to consider a move of this magnitude. Or, they can look to repeat history. Resign Tua, just like they did Tannehill and hope they don’t trade him 5 years from now.
1. Regarding salary cap. Signing him to a big deal next year could actually add salary cap space in 2024 and 2025 as Signing bonuses etc., can be spread out over several years. Eventually that is going to come home to roost, but 2024 is his 5th year, and he would count something like $24 million against the cap in 2024 if we do nothing but simply pay out that contract which we already picked up. Then if we wanted to keep him in 2025 but still not commit to a long term deal, we’d have to franchise him, which would be horrible for the cap as he would end up with a salary and a cap hit of probably around $50 million for 2025 anyways as the franchise tag would be the average of the top highest 3 salaries at the position at that time. So that would destroy our cap even more in 2025.
2. 2024 is his 5th year option, not 2025. He is currently in year 4.
3. We’re not trading for a qb, or wasting a high draft pick on one, that’s super unrealistic. Your premise might be interesting or realistic, if Tua wasn’t able to finish the year again this year, or if he played poorly, but I don’t think you can say that. If you look at Tannehill’s 3rd and 4th years with us, Tua had a much higher passer rating and of course accuracy %.
Your entire post reminds me of all of those people on this message board who were pining for Cook, and Jonathan Taylor, and who just wanted to overpay and make a trade for a running back when it was obvious to anyone who truly understood our team, and understood the regard that MCdaniels had for Mostert, and the fact that his hairline fracture in his knee had just fully healed for the first time in years, and the depth behind him with Jeff Wilson, and the excitement, potential, and fit of Devon Achane, meant that the coaching staff wasn’t interested in a new running back, certainly not interested in giving up big money and or draft picks to trade for one when they felt good about their running back room That they had As well as its cost.
You think Mike McDaniel wants to move on from Tua after these first two years With him in his system? I don’t think your article, if it is you who wrote it actually understands the situation, nor the regard that the organization has for Tua. You think Grier doesn’t want Tua to succeed and is ready to blow it all up and start over again? You’re out of your mind.
Now if you said we should invest a draft pick in a developmental QB just for depth, and to develop a quality backup in the event one fell to us, then that would be a different situation, but If you think the organization is ready or is prioritizing moving on from Tua after this year, right now at this point, then I don’t think you have a good read on the team.
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Yeah I don't understand posts that have Penix and falling within the same sentence. This league turned Trey Lance and Anthony Richardson into very high first round picks. Neither one of them had a fraction of Penix's accuracy or awareness.
The only way Penix falls is if the postseason medicals are troubling regarding all the surgeries he's had.
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Only 2 players that haven't missed a game this year Wilkins and tua. They need to be resigned. Both of them make everybody else around them better. Avg as well.
I don’t hate him
I just don’t think he’s a prime time QB and he’s proved it so far
Stop af
Article, thread, all of it
Ahhhhh yes let’s restart the qb carousel giving up tons of capital to do it. Never mind the OL, or DL
Article, thread, all of it
Ahhhhh yes let’s restart the qb carousel giving up tons of capital to do it. Never mind the OL, or DL
Michael Scott
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I agree. He’s incredibly accurate and has a bigger arm than some give him credit for. Can go off script and make plays as well and he seems to elevate his game the higher the stakes. If we were QB needed and out of range for Williams/Maye, then that Penix vs. Daniels discussion would be one for the ages. Might not be the popular opinion, but both guys are levels above Nix, McCarthy, Sanders, Ewers, etc.
fin007
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Miami Dolphins needs to draft a quarterback
Ryan Tannehill was selected 8th overall in the 2012 NFL draft. The highest draft selection ever made by the Miami Dolphins on a quarterback. This was a player
The Miami Dolphins are in the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row but should QB be a focus in the NFL Draft given Tua Tagovailoa's future?
Ryan Tannehill was selected 8th overall in the 2012 NFL draft. The highest draft selection ever made by the Miami Dolphins on a quarterback. This was a player who was deemed a prospect that would allow the Dolphins to stop the quarterback carousel they have had since Dan Marino retired. The hype was justified. His former collegiate head coach, was also the Miami Dolphins new Offensive Coordinator. The way Tannehill played justified his 8th overall selection during his time at Texas A&M, thereby leading to hope. Hope for the Miami Dolphins fans.
Tannehill's tenure with the Dolphins was met with a lot of ups and downs. He played well enough to earn a second contract, where the Dolphins in 2015 re-signed him to a 6 year, 96 Million dollar contract. Which at that time was substantial. A large commitment to a player with a large history of injury concerns.
The Dolphins, after signing Tannehill to that contract, never saw him play a full season nor play in a playoff game. This eventually led to him being traded to the Titans for a bag of footballs. Basically, a salary clearing trade that was best for both teams.
Where am I going with all of this - history tends to repeat itself with the Miami Dolphins. Fast forward to the present and the Dolphins have a decision to make about Tua Tagovailoa. Yes, the Dolphins picked up Tua's 5th-year option, which will ensure that he will start the 2024, and 2025 seasons, but should they look to re-sign him to a lucrative deal, knowing the injury concerns assigned to Tua?
You need to also take into consideration the Miami Dolphins cap situation. Remember, this offseason, Connor Williams, Chris Wilkins, Robert Hunt and Andrew Van Ginkel are all unrestricted free agents.
Then, Jaylen Waddle, Jaelan Phillips, and Jevon Holland are all looking for contract extensions, with the latter being an unrestricted free agent.
Lastly, it’s not like the Miami Dolphins have a plethora of cap space, they are actually forecasted to be 41MM over the cap. This means a lot of restructures, cuts, trades, and potentially deferring to future years, which doesn’t fix the cap, just punts it to another year.
Do the Dolphins really want to add a 40 to 50 million cap hit on a starting quarterback with injury concerns? Or should they look to foster a team that is built to win.
The Dolphins can achieve this by drafting a quarterback with their 1st round pick in this year's upcoming draft. If Tua leads the Dolphins to an AFC championship game or even the Super Bowl, then yes, this becomes a moot point. But what happens if it is a one and done playoff experience?
Getting a young QB prospect that is cap friendly for the next four to five seasons, and a team that is built to win is a strategy that has paid off. Having Tua around next year to mentor, groom, and teach a prospect is another advantage for the development of the prospect.
Who can they look to target - Caleb Williams is the cream of the crop and a player with a laser arm, and no injury concerns, but let’s be realistic. He’s going top 3. The Dolphins potentially look to create a trade-up scenario similar to how the Bills got Josh Allen, or how the Chiefs obtained Patrick Mahomes.
The opportunity will present itself, the Dolphins would be wise to consider a move of this magnitude. Or, they can look to repeat history. Resign Tua, just like they did Tannehill and hope they don’t trade him 5 years from now.
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