he just won two games in a row and slayed them. And went up to SF who said they would lose. You’re out of your mind. Look, I like Tua but he doesn’t have that kind of talent and “he ain’t won ****”
QB? Should the Miami Dolphins draft a QB and avoid a potential Ryan Tannehill repeat?
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AgentXof12
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You obviously don't examine these things in vacuums. It looks like it may pay off this season, but it's predicated on winning their playoff games. If they get bounced early again, what will his deal look like? And they played hardball with him. Do you think we should play hardball with Tua or not?
We'll never know who their QB would be next season because they chose to extend Lamar Jackson. I think it was probably a good deal for them to do so. He's a very dynamic player, and when he plays he is generally among the best. However, he's had his flaws and shortcomings, and if winning playoff games is where it counts then he has come up short.
fin007
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Three dropped TDs like in the last game gets you a loss every time. Tua is ultimately responsible for those dropped TDs, is the logic for many who post here. 
Hmmm, funny, I compared the situation with tannehill and I was laughed at for it... by a certain poster I will not name. But he is all high and mighty round these parts. Sips tea and talks stats all day
You wanna know what's sick about this entire discussion.....
The only reason I post to Finheaven and moved on from my last Dolphins message board was bc I was so outraged we didn't draft Lamar Jackson the night of the 2018 draft, I had a blow up and fought with the entire forum, (much smaller forum than here) declared them all to be absolute brain dead idiots and left.
Fast Forward and here I am talking **** on Lamar, when if it were up to me he woulda been our QB all this time.
But hes not, so f*** him, Tua is a better passer anyway and we will get to see this game again in about 4 weeks so, I've said this before and I'll say it again, Don't crown him yet, Lamar ain't won s***! Tua may get the last laugh!
Springveldt
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Maybe I should have worded that better I guess.
Unless both Allen and Tua are standing in the same backfield and running the exact same plays and one makes the throw and the other doesn't then one QB isn't beating the other QB.
Josh Allen throwing a TD doesn't really have an affect on Tua's performance unless Tua lets it by forcing stupid throws that aren't there trying to match it. In a game they are on opposite sides and never face each other directly, so Allen's performance shouldn't affect Tua's performance.
AgentXof12
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I think the logical concern is with extending Tua at a market-setting price. I think doing so calls for pause. I think you only do it if you are convinced he is Peyton/Brees/etc type of QB. I'm less convinced than I was because he has absolutely cooked under pressure against the Bills and Ravens. We're seeing it where if things get a little bit out of hand, he is making crucially bad decisions with the football.Three dropped TDs like in the last game gets you a loss every time. Tua is ultimately responsible for those dropped TDs, is the logic for many who post here.
You obviously can't win a football game where your defense literally cannot stop their offense. But bah gawd I have seen guys like Drew Brees f'ing try and lead their team into an all-out shoot-out. Of course, that requires your Tyreek Hill to not drop dimes that would go straight into the end zone... among several other things that obviously need to go right. A QB has to have a few very good receivers.
Springveldt
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They have been, that's been obvious. They have owned the Dolphins on both lines for the past 5 years at least. The Bills interior DL routinely wrecks the Dolphins OL and spoils many game plans.
Yeah, I know what you're saying, they don't look each other down, and even I wouldn't equate them as going head to head, different defenses and all, but they certainly can affect how each other play.
AgentXof12
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You must have been born yesterday. Lamar Jackson is 1-3 in playoff games.
Springveldt
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Having phinphantic.com agreeing with your take isn't the feather in your cap that you think it is.
Brian Miller and his rag tag crew of misfits opinions should be used as the worst possible version of group think and trash one could possibly dig up. Yet the OP does it time and time again.
Miami Dolphins needs to draft a quarterback
Ryan Tannehill was selected 8th overall in the 2012 NFL draft. The highest draft selection ever made by the Miami Dolphins on a quarterback. This was a playerphinphanatic.com
The Miami Dolphins are in the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row but should QB be a focus in the NFL Draft given Tua Tagovailoa's future?
Ryan Tannehill was selected 8th overall in the 2012 NFL draft. The highest draft selection ever made by the Miami Dolphins on a quarterback. This was a player who was deemed a prospect that would allow the Dolphins to stop the quarterback carousel they have had since Dan Marino retired. The hype was justified. His former collegiate head coach, was also the Miami Dolphins new Offensive Coordinator. The way Tannehill played justified his 8th overall selection during his time at Texas A&M, thereby leading to hope. Hope for the Miami Dolphins fans.
Tannehill's tenure with the Dolphins was met with a lot of ups and downs. He played well enough to earn a second contract, where the Dolphins in 2015 re-signed him to a 6 year, 96 Million dollar contract. Which at that time was substantial. A large commitment to a player with a large history of injury concerns.
The Dolphins, after signing Tannehill to that contract, never saw him play a full season nor play in a playoff game. This eventually led to him being traded to the Titans for a bag of footballs. Basically, a salary clearing trade that was best for both teams.
Where am I going with all of this - history tends to repeat itself with the Miami Dolphins. Fast forward to the present and the Dolphins have a decision to make about Tua Tagovailoa. Yes, the Dolphins picked up Tua's 5th-year option, which will ensure that he will start the 2024, and 2025 seasons, but should they look to re-sign him to a lucrative deal, knowing the injury concerns assigned to Tua?
You need to also take into consideration the Miami Dolphins cap situation. Remember, this offseason, Connor Williams, Chris Wilkins, Robert Hunt and Andrew Van Ginkel are all unrestricted free agents.
Then, Jaylen Waddle, Jaelan Phillips, and Jevon Holland are all looking for contract extensions, with the latter being an unrestricted free agent.
Lastly, it’s not like the Miami Dolphins have a plethora of cap space, they are actually forecasted to be 41MM over the cap. This means a lot of restructures, cuts, trades, and potentially deferring to future years, which doesn’t fix the cap, just punts it to another year.
Do the Dolphins really want to add a 40 to 50 million cap hit on a starting quarterback with injury concerns? Or should they look to foster a team that is built to win.
The Dolphins can achieve this by drafting a quarterback with their 1st round pick in this year's upcoming draft. If Tua leads the Dolphins to an AFC championship game or even the Super Bowl, then yes, this becomes a moot point. But what happens if it is a one and done playoff experience?
Getting a young QB prospect that is cap friendly for the next four to five seasons, and a team that is built to win is a strategy that has paid off. Having Tua around next year to mentor, groom, and teach a prospect is another advantage for the development of the prospect.
Who can they look to target - Caleb Williams is the cream of the crop and a player with a laser arm, and no injury concerns, but let’s be realistic. He’s going top 3. The Dolphins potentially look to create a trade-up scenario similar to how the Bills got Josh Allen, or how the Chiefs obtained Patrick Mahomes.
The opportunity will present itself, the Dolphins would be wise to consider a move of this magnitude. Or, they can look to repeat history. Resign Tua, just like they did Tannehill and hope they don’t trade him 5 years from now.
Wow. I wonder if Chargers fans post these kinds of stuff about their QB, which had a terrible season, starting from their loss against Miami. Wait, what, oh yea theres excuses about injuries and coaching staff for his team. But amongst having a good year, in the eyes of the media and even his fan base, Tua is trash. Nothing new
Springveldt
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No, I totally get what you are saying in that you don't think Tua is ever going to be the guy so why wait, why not just move on the first chance you get. I'd agree with you if it was Tannehill, by the time his renewal came around I didn't think he would ever be the guy unless he had every single thing perfect around him. In the end he got that at Tennessee but he still fell short.
The thing is though, based on Tua's performance over the last 2 seasons he actually does give you a chance to win based on his passing efficiency. He may not have won "the big game" yet according to many but in reality he hasn't played in a big game yet, he hasn't played in a playoff game. Even this Sunday's game isn't as big as next Sunday's game wherever it may be. His performance over the last 2 seasons in the regular season points to someone who will win enough games to make you a perennial playoff contender at a minimum. He doesn't need everything perfect around him to win, just look at his record while starting (yeah wins aren't a QB stat but they contribute to them) and he's hardly had everything perfect. Even this season look at all the injuries on offence, including the OL yet Miami are 11-5 and could end up the #2 seed this week. Tannehill would be pissing blood again behind this line.
It's taken the Dolphins 25 years to find a QB that can win consistently enough to get you to the playoffs, you don't throw this away and gamble on someone else just because you don't want to pay the going rate for an upper echelon QB.
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