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QB? Should the Miami Dolphins draft a QB and avoid a potential Ryan Tannehill repeat?

So if Pennix falls do the Dolphins draft him if he's a younger, more athletic, cheaper version of Tua?
Idk, considering how much mike likes Tua. I know the gm makes a lot of decisions but they usually go over it with the head coach for the draft picks. Mike seems like a nice dude who would not want to betray Tua. But then again this only happens I think if Tua wants top $ and Tua doesn't budge, so Tua knows prior, that if a top qb falls to miami, miami might draft one and try trading Tua to a team. I think Tua has more than enough arm in this league, but pennix seems to have a stronger arm too and pretty good where he can zip passes in tight spots like stronger armed qbs. So he doesn't have the limitations Tua has physically with him having similar accuracy, quick release and processing ability. He does have injury concerns tho like Tua.
 
No, I totally get what you are saying in that you don't think Tua is ever going to be the guy so why wait, why not just move on the first chance you get. I'd agree with you if it was Tannehill, by the time his renewal came around I didn't think he would ever be the guy unless he had every single thing perfect around him. In the end he got that at Tennessee but he still fell short.

The thing is though, based on Tua's performance over the last 2 seasons he actually does give you a chance to win based on his passing efficiency. He may not have won "the big game" yet according to many but in reality he hasn't played in a big game yet, he hasn't played in a playoff game. Even this Sunday's game isn't as big as next Sunday's game wherever it may be. His performance over the last 2 seasons in the regular season points to someone who will win enough games to make you a perennial playoff contender at a minimum. He doesn't need everything perfect around him to win, just look at his record while starting (yeah wins aren't a QB stat but they contribute to them) and he's hardly had everything perfect. Even this season look at all the injuries on offence, including the OL yet Miami are 11-5 and could end up the #2 seed this week. Tannehill would be pissing blood again behind this line.

It's taken the Dolphins 25 years to find a QB that can win consistently enough to get you to the playoffs, you don't throw this away and gamble on someone else just because you don't want to pay the going rate for a upper echelon QB.
I think Tua falls in that tough spot where he's like Dak prescott caliber. They have different skills, but both seen as good to pretty good qbs. But don't know if both can or will win the big games or take a team to the super bowl. But qbs getting top 5 qb $ which teams can't maintain or get talent around them to be a super bowl contending team
 
Penix will be a top 15 pick lol I’d be shocked if he didn’t go top 10. He’s going to be the best qb in this draft class.
And our luck patriots will probably end up drafting or the jets lol, actually the jets wouldn;t matter as they'd ruin him with their horrible o line. It's the patriots I would not care for especially if Bill B is gone and they get a good head. Tho I've heard rumors of patriots possibly going for flores. I'd feel bad for pennix then, to have a coach like flores
 
Can't believe the article talks about injury concerns considering he has had nothing but normal bumps and bruises this year. The article tries to make itself relevant and attempts to rehash old issues because it has nothing substantial. I agree into looking for my viable backups for Tua though but not ready to move on from him nor has he given us a reason to think that is the answer.
 
Penix will be a top 15 pick lol I’d be shocked if he didn’t go top 10. He’s going to be the best qb in this draft class.
He's a SIXTH year senior (only 2 years younger than Tua) with funky mechanics that's already had two torn ACLs and a dislocated shoulder. He looked great against Texas and I hope he beats Michigan, but I'm not sold on him as an NFL QB.
 
Depends on the spot and the player.

If it's a Marino situation...late first...guy drops to you....and you see the talent...sure...if you are losing prime assets on a 'maybe' he's better or just to possibly compete in camp (but hes basically just Skylar)...ehhh I'm not too sure about that...
 
He's a SIXTH year senior (only 2 years younger than Tua) with funky mechanics that's already had two torn ACLs and a dislocated shoulder. He looked great against Texas and I hope he beats Michigan, but I'm not sold on him as an NFL QB.
I'm with you there. People just watch one game and he's the cats meow.. let's see how he does against a stiff Michigan defense
 
Absolutely not, if Tua was at the tail end of his career yeah start to waste draft picks on QBs until you find one. But right now we have much more pressing needs, like building some depth to the Oline replacing some of the guys that we can't afford to resign. Like it or not Tua is the Franchise QB and he's only in his mid 20's so it'll be a long time before we need to look at that position.
 

The Miami Dolphins are in the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row but should QB be a focus in the NFL Draft given Tua Tagovailoa's future?

Ryan Tannehill was selected 8th overall in the 2012 NFL draft. The highest draft selection ever made by the Miami Dolphins on a quarterback. This was a player who was deemed a prospect that would allow the Dolphins to stop the quarterback carousel they have had since Dan Marino retired. The hype was justified. His former collegiate head coach, was also the Miami Dolphins new Offensive Coordinator. The way Tannehill played justified his 8th overall selection during his time at Texas A&M, thereby leading to hope. Hope for the Miami Dolphins fans.

Tannehill's tenure with the Dolphins was met with a lot of ups and downs. He played well enough to earn a second contract, where the Dolphins in 2015 re-signed him to a 6 year, 96 Million dollar contract. Which at that time was substantial. A large commitment to a player with a large history of injury concerns.

The Dolphins, after signing Tannehill to that contract, never saw him play a full season nor play in a playoff game. This eventually led to him being traded to the Titans for a bag of footballs. Basically, a salary clearing trade that was best for both teams.

Where am I going with all of this - history tends to repeat itself with the Miami Dolphins. Fast forward to the present and the Dolphins have a decision to make about Tua Tagovailoa. Yes, the Dolphins picked up Tua's 5th-year option, which will ensure that he will start the 2024, and 2025 seasons, but should they look to re-sign him to a lucrative deal, knowing the injury concerns assigned to Tua?

You need to also take into consideration the Miami Dolphins cap situation. Remember, this offseason, Connor Williams, Chris Wilkins, Robert Hunt and Andrew Van Ginkel are all unrestricted free agents.

Then, Jaylen Waddle, Jaelan Phillips, and Jevon Holland are all looking for contract extensions, with the latter being an unrestricted free agent.

Lastly, it’s not like the Miami Dolphins have a plethora of cap space, they are actually forecasted to be 41MM over the cap. This means a lot of restructures, cuts, trades, and potentially deferring to future years, which doesn’t fix the cap, just punts it to another year.

Do the Dolphins really want to add a 40 to 50 million cap hit on a starting quarterback with injury concerns? Or should they look to foster a team that is built to win.

The Dolphins can achieve this by drafting a quarterback with their 1st round pick in this year's upcoming draft. If Tua leads the Dolphins to an AFC championship game or even the Super Bowl, then yes, this becomes a moot point. But what happens if it is a one and done playoff experience?

Getting a young QB prospect that is cap friendly for the next four to five seasons, and a team that is built to win is a strategy that has paid off. Having Tua around next year to mentor, groom, and teach a prospect is another advantage for the development of the prospect.

Who can they look to target - Caleb Williams is the cream of the crop and a player with a laser arm, and no injury concerns, but let’s be realistic. He’s going top 3. The Dolphins potentially look to create a trade-up scenario similar to how the Bills got Josh Allen, or how the Chiefs obtained Patrick Mahomes.

The opportunity will present itself, the Dolphins would be wise to consider a move of this magnitude. Or, they can look to repeat history. Resign Tua, just like they did Tannehill and hope they don’t trade him 5 years from now.
Here we go again.
Another "nearsighted" view and emergency status for taking action at our QB position.
1) We have an extraordinary QB
2) We currently have an experienced backup and a relatively inexperienced backup.
3) We should always have a developmental QB.

Currently That's Thompson, but as long as our secondary and tertiary QB's have some kind of trade value, we can keep upgrading those positions without a problem.

This leaves us in the position of having good support for our primary QB, and we will eventually end up with a successor for whenever our primary QB leaves us - for whatever reason!
 

The Miami Dolphins are in the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row but should QB be a focus in the NFL Draft given Tua Tagovailoa's future?

Ryan Tannehill was selected 8th overall in the 2012 NFL draft. The highest draft selection ever made by the Miami Dolphins on a quarterback. This was a player who was deemed a prospect that would allow the Dolphins to stop the quarterback carousel they have had since Dan Marino retired. The hype was justified. His former collegiate head coach, was also the Miami Dolphins new Offensive Coordinator. The way Tannehill played justified his 8th overall selection during his time at Texas A&M, thereby leading to hope. Hope for the Miami Dolphins fans.

Tannehill's tenure with the Dolphins was met with a lot of ups and downs. He played well enough to earn a second contract, where the Dolphins in 2015 re-signed him to a 6 year, 96 Million dollar contract. Which at that time was substantial. A large commitment to a player with a large history of injury concerns.

The Dolphins, after signing Tannehill to that contract, never saw him play a full season nor play in a playoff game. This eventually led to him being traded to the Titans for a bag of footballs. Basically, a salary clearing trade that was best for both teams.

Where am I going with all of this - history tends to repeat itself with the Miami Dolphins. Fast forward to the present and the Dolphins have a decision to make about Tua Tagovailoa. Yes, the Dolphins picked up Tua's 5th-year option, which will ensure that he will start the 2024, and 2025 seasons, but should they look to re-sign him to a lucrative deal, knowing the injury concerns assigned to Tua?

You need to also take into consideration the Miami Dolphins cap situation. Remember, this offseason, Connor Williams, Chris Wilkins, Robert Hunt and Andrew Van Ginkel are all unrestricted free agents.

Then, Jaylen Waddle, Jaelan Phillips, and Jevon Holland are all looking for contract extensions, with the latter being an unrestricted free agent.

Lastly, it’s not like the Miami Dolphins have a plethora of cap space, they are actually forecasted to be 41MM over the cap. This means a lot of restructures, cuts, trades, and potentially deferring to future years, which doesn’t fix the cap, just punts it to another year.

Do the Dolphins really want to add a 40 to 50 million cap hit on a starting quarterback with injury concerns? Or should they look to foster a team that is built to win.

The Dolphins can achieve this by drafting a quarterback with their 1st round pick in this year's upcoming draft. If Tua leads the Dolphins to an AFC championship game or even the Super Bowl, then yes, this becomes a moot point. But what happens if it is a one and done playoff experience?

Getting a young QB prospect that is cap friendly for the next four to five seasons, and a team that is built to win is a strategy that has paid off. Having Tua around next year to mentor, groom, and teach a prospect is another advantage for the development of the prospect.

Who can they look to target - Caleb Williams is the cream of the crop and a player with a laser arm, and no injury concerns, but let’s be realistic. He’s going top 3. The Dolphins potentially look to create a trade-up scenario similar to how the Bills got Josh Allen, or how the Chiefs obtained Patrick Mahomes.

The opportunity will present itself, the Dolphins would be wise to consider a move of this magnitude. Or, they can look to repeat history. Resign Tua, just like they did Tannehill and hope they don’t trade him 5 years from now.
Tannehill never led the league in passing yards and completion %... :shrug:
Tua is 25, there's no way he's going to mentor and teach his replacement. This is just silly...
 
I could see drafting Penix Jr. in the 2nd round, not necessarily to replace Tua but to bring in a backup with potential.

Both lefties, both throw beautiful accurate deep passes, insurance for injuries, and if Miami chooses not to extend Tua this offseason it might give options heading into 2025.

We’ve seen that when Tua goes down the offense goes down with him.
I hear he is a top 10 likely third QB taken but who the hell knows
 
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