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QB? Should the Miami Dolphins draft a QB and avoid a potential Ryan Tannehill repeat?

not crazy about williams, I like Penix better
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The Miami Dolphins are in the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row but should QB be a focus in the NFL Draft given Tua Tagovailoa's future?

Ryan Tannehill was selected 8th overall in the 2012 NFL draft. The highest draft selection ever made by the Miami Dolphins on a quarterback. This was a player who was deemed a prospect that would allow the Dolphins to stop the quarterback carousel they have had since Dan Marino retired. The hype was justified. His former collegiate head coach, was also the Miami Dolphins new Offensive Coordinator. The way Tannehill played justified his 8th overall selection during his time at Texas A&M, thereby leading to hope. Hope for the Miami Dolphins fans.

Tannehill's tenure with the Dolphins was met with a lot of ups and downs. He played well enough to earn a second contract, where the Dolphins in 2015 re-signed him to a 6 year, 96 Million dollar contract. Which at that time was substantial. A large commitment to a player with a large history of injury concerns.

The Dolphins, after signing Tannehill to that contract, never saw him play a full season nor play in a playoff game. This eventually led to him being traded to the Titans for a bag of footballs. Basically, a salary clearing trade that was best for both teams.

Where am I going with all of this - history tends to repeat itself with the Miami Dolphins. Fast forward to the present and the Dolphins have a decision to make about Tua Tagovailoa. Yes, the Dolphins picked up Tua's 5th-year option, which will ensure that he will start the 2024, and 2025 seasons, but should they look to re-sign him to a lucrative deal, knowing the injury concerns assigned to Tua?

You need to also take into consideration the Miami Dolphins cap situation. Remember, this offseason, Connor Williams, Chris Wilkins, Robert Hunt and Andrew Van Ginkel are all unrestricted free agents.

Then, Jaylen Waddle, Jaelan Phillips, and Jevon Holland are all looking for contract extensions, with the latter being an unrestricted free agent.

Lastly, it’s not like the Miami Dolphins have a plethora of cap space, they are actually forecasted to be 41MM over the cap. This means a lot of restructures, cuts, trades, and potentially deferring to future years, which doesn’t fix the cap, just punts it to another year.

Do the Dolphins really want to add a 40 to 50 million cap hit on a starting quarterback with injury concerns? Or should they look to foster a team that is built to win.

The Dolphins can achieve this by drafting a quarterback with their 1st round pick in this year's upcoming draft. If Tua leads the Dolphins to an AFC championship game or even the Super Bowl, then yes, this becomes a moot point. But what happens if it is a one and done playoff experience?

Getting a young QB prospect that is cap friendly for the next four to five seasons, and a team that is built to win is a strategy that has paid off. Having Tua around next year to mentor, groom, and teach a prospect is another advantage for the development of the prospect.

Who can they look to target - Caleb Williams is the cream of the crop and a player with a laser arm, and no injury concerns, but let’s be realistic. He’s going top 3. The Dolphins potentially look to create a trade-up scenario similar to how the Bills got Josh Allen, or how the Chiefs obtained Patrick Mahomes.

The opportunity will present itself, the Dolphins would be wise to consider a move of this magnitude. Or, they can look to repeat history. Resign Tua, just like they did Tannehill and hope they don’t trade him 5 years from now.
You are really funny!
 
He's a SIXTH year senior (only 2 years younger than Tua) with funky mechanics that's already had two torn ACLs and a dislocated shoulder. He looked great against Texas and I hope he beats Michigan, but I'm not sold on him as an NFL QB.

Penix's injuries IIRC all happened while he was at Indiana.

p.s. He has looked pretty good while at UW.
 
I hear he is a top 10 likely third QB taken but who the hell knows
Wouldn’t be shocking by the time the draft gets here and the game against Texas most likely moves him up the charts.

Michigan game might have something to do with where he lands.

Most pundits I’ve seen had Williams, Maye, and Daniel’s as top 10 picks.

McCarthy, Sanders, Nix, and Penix Jr. maybe sneaking into the 1st and all or most somewhere in the 2nd. Ewers might also jump into the mix if he declares.

QBs often climb up the charts because of the importance of the position.

I know picks are a premium after Grier has traded away two+ years of draft picks along with a 1st and 3rd for ownership collision, but any one of those QBs might be worth a chance in the 2nd since the position is so damn important.

I know I wouldn’t be comfortable as a coach or GM having White or Thompson as a go to if needed.
 
You wanna know what's sick about this entire discussion.....

The only reason I post to Finheaven and moved on from my last Dolphins message board was bc I was so outraged we didn't draft Lamar Jackson the night of the 2018 draft, I had a blow up and fought with the entire forum, (much smaller forum than here) declared them all to be absolute brain dead idiots and left.

Fast Forward and here I am talking **** on Lamar, when if it were up to me he woulda been our QB all this time.

But hes not, so f*** him, Tua is a better passer anyway and we will get to see this game again in about 4 weeks so, I've said this before and I'll say it again, Don't crown him yet, Lamar ain't won s***! Tua may get the last laugh!
Hey listen, I didn’t even like Lamar, never did. I don’t believe in scrambling QBs because at the end of the day when forced to become pocket passers they fail. I kept wanting Lamar to fail, didn’t want to believe he could do it. Now I’m eating crow because he can pass from the pocket. And guess what, the SF game was a big stage in prime time and he tore it up just like he did in Miami last Sunday.
Call me crazy but we haven’t seen Tua do **** in prime time. Something always goes wrong and everyone tries to deflect blame from him. It’s not all his fault because McD can’t get out of his own way, but the bottom line is that in big games Tua has bad games
 
You must have been born yesterday. Lamar Jackson is 1-3 in playoff games.
What a dumb response. And Tua has dick. 0. Lamar performed, Tua failed, so what’s his excuse?
So whats your point troll?
Been a fan since 79 and played more football than the amount of years you’ve been alive. Go back to to your Madden football game and let the adults talk here.
 
What a dumb response. And Tua has dick. 0. Lamar performed, Tua failed, so what’s his excuse?
So whats your point troll?
Been a fan since 79 and played more football than the amount of years you’ve been alive. Go back to to your Madden football game and let the adults talk here.
I'm no troll, and damn near everybody on here who has ever noticed me knows that. My point is that Lamar Jackson has more often than not played like crap in the playoffs. He has not scored many TDs in the playoffs. Period.

Yea, Tua has yet to play in a playoff game. It's his 4th season in the NFL though. He's about to get his first taste and his team is decimated.

Tua has absolutely beaten some good teams though. Don't let that get in the way of your hate train. lol
 
Hey listen, I didn’t even like Lamar, never did. I don’t believe in scrambling QBs because at the end of the day when forced to become pocket passers they fail. I kept wanting Lamar to fail, didn’t want to believe he could do it. Now I’m eating crow because he can pass from the pocket. And guess what, the SF game was a big stage in prime time and he tore it up just like he did in Miami last Sunday.
Call me crazy but we haven’t seen Tua do **** in prime time. Something always goes wrong and everyone tries to deflect blame from him. It’s not all his fault because McD can’t get out of his own way, but the bottom line is that in big games Tua has bad games
So winning MVP a couple years ago didn't do it for you, but one regular season game did?
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I have no issue drafting mid round prospects for a backup / lottery ticket.

But the idea that if we draft in the first round, we will hit on a QB is folly. It took from 1998 until now to draft a QB that is this good.

Also - we need to hit some high picks on positions of need this year
which qb did we draft in 1997-8? honestly i would say since 1983
 
I'm no troll, and damn near everybody on here who has ever noticed me knows that. My point is that Lamar Jackson has more often than not played like crap in the playoffs. He has not scored many TDs in the playoffs. Period.

Yea, Tua has yet to play in a playoff game. It's his 4th season in the NFL though. He's about to get his first taste and his team is decimated.

Tua has absolutely beaten some good teams though. Don't let that get in the way of your hate train. lol
This is where you just proved to be an I***T
I’ve been a Tua supporter since day one

But after two years I have my doubts now

I’m objective so I’m a hater now? LOL
Get lost because now you look foolish
Biggest trick you trolls like to pull is put words in peoples mouths
 
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He's a SIXTH year senior (only 2 years younger than Tua) with funky mechanics that's already had two torn ACLs and a dislocated shoulder. He looked great against Texas and I hope he beats Michigan, but I'm not sold on him as an NFL QB.

This is an nfl that saw Zach Wilson go 2 overall. Penix is Stroud/Tua pre hip injury clone. Mobile, fantastic accuracy, great pocket awareness, good anticipation. Yeah injury is a concern but he’s stayed healthy last two years. Don’t see age factoring in, yeah he’ll be 24 by next season but that won’t stop him from going top 10.
 
This is an nfl that saw Zach Wilson go 2 overall. Penix is Stroud/Tua pre hip injury clone. Mobile, fantastic accuracy, great pocket awareness, good anticipation. Yeah injury is a concern but he’s stayed healthy last two years. Don’t see age factoring in, yeah he’ll be 24 by next season but that won’t stop him from going top 10.
He's going somewhere else tho
 
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