I need to throw something out there. It's this Green thing. I believe we really don't need him,why? If the front office was really worried about Cpepp being 100%healthy or having the ability to run our offense,don't you think they would have really gone after Green harder. Or better yet gone after Schaub(spelling?)or someone else? Even Quinn?
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The Confessor
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I wouldnt have gone after Shaub with what he finally was traded for.
I personally dont think Quinn is going to be any better than Beck IMO.
I am also not for giving more than a 6th and perhaps a conditional late second day pick the following year for Green. All reports are that he would be more comfortable in Cam's offense than C-Pepp, but considering either are short term solutions, I would rather the Devil we know than we dont- of course that isnt actually accurate, because Cam does already know Green.
The only thing warrenting trading for Green is that C-Pepp is physically not ready to be effective behind center.
Just my 2 cents worth...
I personally dont think Quinn is going to be any better than Beck IMO.
I am also not for giving more than a 6th and perhaps a conditional late second day pick the following year for Green. All reports are that he would be more comfortable in Cam's offense than C-Pepp, but considering either are short term solutions, I would rather the Devil we know than we dont- of course that isnt actually accurate, because Cam does already know Green.
The only thing warrenting trading for Green is that C-Pepp is physically not ready to be effective behind center.
Just my 2 cents worth...
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I'm thick-headed.
I say give nothing, which is what I've said from day 1. I really don't want Green here, and never have. I'd much rather give it a go with Daunte and/or Cleo. Then if that's not working, Beck gets the second half of the season.
I do not trust Green after his performance following that nasty concussion.
As maligned as Daunte is with the fans, he was still better than Green last year, even on one leg doing five to seven step drops behind our turnstile OL.
I also am not in the camp that believes Daunte is incapable of functioning in a positive and productive manner in Cameron's offense. I also do not feel we need, or should need, a to hire player to do the coachs' job. That should be regarded only as the cherry on top.
Lastly, my best case scenario is that Daunte is able to build a little trade equity back up after a productive season. Remember the war drum we were all beating last year? QB's don't lose their careers from a knee injury? I still believe that Daunte isn't done. The injury was nasty, and Saban's ego and insecurity put Daunte's focus off rehab and onto getting ready for the Steeler's game. It back fired in a horrible fashion.
I say give nothing, which is what I've said from day 1. I really don't want Green here, and never have. I'd much rather give it a go with Daunte and/or Cleo. Then if that's not working, Beck gets the second half of the season.
I do not trust Green after his performance following that nasty concussion.
As maligned as Daunte is with the fans, he was still better than Green last year, even on one leg doing five to seven step drops behind our turnstile OL.
I also am not in the camp that believes Daunte is incapable of functioning in a positive and productive manner in Cameron's offense. I also do not feel we need, or should need, a to hire player to do the coachs' job. That should be regarded only as the cherry on top.
Lastly, my best case scenario is that Daunte is able to build a little trade equity back up after a productive season. Remember the war drum we were all beating last year? QB's don't lose their careers from a knee injury? I still believe that Daunte isn't done. The injury was nasty, and Saban's ego and insecurity put Daunte's focus off rehab and onto getting ready for the Steeler's game. It back fired in a horrible fashion.
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I have never been for Green, do not see the fascination with him at all. One knock from being spoon fed IMHO. If Cameron is as good with the O as he is claimed to be, then he should be able to use Daunte's talents of which there are many, and make him be a successful QB, which can allow Beck to grow into a seasoned player for a year or two or maybe even trade him like the Falcons got for Shaub, if Beck is that good.
If we get Green it had better be for minimum salary and no picks.
If we get Green it had better be for minimum salary and no picks.
unifiedtheory
Thank you #54...
I agree with all that...I guess that is why I feel very alone in my "support Daunte" mantra until you show up in the same thread...LOL!
Bro, you are not alone about C-Pep, I feel the same way. We have to give him a chance.
finswin56
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Sometimes is okay to be a little nuts :goof:
The Confessor
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I completely agree about C-Pepp, which is why I brought up the dis-claimer..
I still think that if C-Pepp comes back to being 80% of what he once was, that is enough to win with the right supporting cast.
He already cost us a 2nd, we will never get that supporting cast if we keep trading away our picks...(Catch 22-kindve)
I still think that if C-Pepp comes back to being 80% of what he once was, that is enough to win with the right supporting cast.
He already cost us a 2nd, we will never get that supporting cast if we keep trading away our picks...(Catch 22-kindve)
Ohiophinphan
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The only value Green has to me is familiarity with the system. That is not enough to go any further than a 6 and I think if it goes much longer we withsraw even that.
I am not convinced our front office really wants Green that badly. The discussion now seems to be driven by Green, his agent, and the media. Our people are very, very, silent. That silence is screaming at me "We don't want him that bad!"
I am not convinced our front office really wants Green that badly. The discussion now seems to be driven by Green, his agent, and the media. Our people are very, very, silent. That silence is screaming at me "We don't want him that bad!"
Bingo.
Furthermore, I still believe strongly that DC can and will be a great qb again in this league and Id like it to be for us in the short term at least. :cooldude:
You could say that of Lemon, he is familiar with the system, hasn't been a starter like Green, however he isn't coming off of a concussion either.
The Confessor
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And Cleo is a MUCH better athlete than Green...at a mere fraction of the cost...:wink:
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I've seen a couple of people bring this viewpoint up but I don't see it or buy it one little bit.
The Phins have been in talks and negotiating this for quite some time now.
If they didn't think they needed him they'd simply say forget it at this point but they aren't.
Seriously, what more would you like them to do?
Going hard after acquiring a player does not = caving in to unreasonable trade demands by the other party.
They are doing the right thing and I believe it's a matter of time before KC's GM feels enough pressure to back off his demands a little. At this point he's being fueled simply by his ego.
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Cleo is also an inconsistent player documented by his 50% completion percentage he's carried at every level in his career.
A lot of you have become enamoured with this guy but I for one can't understand the reasons.