Question for those who dislike Philbin/want him gone

[DuderinoN703]

Yes another Philbin thread. This is for those who want him gone.

Amid the bullying scandal and everything that happened after, if Miami made the playoffs this year and either won or lost, would your position on Philbin change in any way over what it is today?

The excuses I see people making are the losses to Tampa Bay, Buffalo, and the Jets. **** teams that Miami should've beaten (or so I see said in here). If Miami was able to beat them and make the playoffs despite the Incog/Martin saga and Miami loses in the first round be it by blowout or a close game, would your position on Philbin change in any way over what it is today?

If Miami won the Super Bowl would anyone give a **** about all of this?

 

[fisi]

I love me some Philbin, the guy is a no-nonsense kind of guy...albeit new to the position so let him learn and grow. Give the man a chance!

 

[Fin Fan in Cali]

I would like to see the players more motivated and on a mission. I would like to see certainty and assured vibe of confidence from Joe. I want him to hold his coaches more accountable like his players. Hold the coaches in check and please know what offensive plays are going to be called as well as the defense. Be the coach we hired and have confidence flowing through this team that we can consistently win.

 

[SkapePhin]

I've always said my gripes with Philbin have more to do with on the field than off. That being said, this whole ordeal is reflective of his failure as a head coach. He is a man without a pulse for his team, and one who players seemingly cannot relate to or feel comfortable going to for advice or help.

I just don't think he has any redeeming qualities as a HC other than the ability to set schedules. Well, I want a coach leading my team, not a damn administrator!


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[SkapePhin]

I would like to see the players more motivated and on a mission. I would like to see certainty and assured vibe of confidence from Joe. I want him to hold his coaches more accountable like his players. Hold the coaches in check and please know what offensive plays are going to be called as well as the defense. Be the coach we hired and have confidence flowing through this team that we can consistently win.

Agreed! It's hard to even pinpoint what he does on gameday. He seems to give total control of everything over to his coordinators and position coaches. The only thing I see him actively involved with on gameday is challenges. And I definitely do not see confidence seeping out from him.

The look of the team during the last Jets game was just pathetic, and reflective of the coach.


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[tl77]

I think Hyde summed it up best:

Dave Hyde ‏@davehydesports 1h
I don't know how Philbin could have answered ?'s any better. My pt remains same: Inexperienced coach meets complex situation = toxic mess

 

[nyjunc]

Yes another Philbin thread. This is for those who want him gone.

Amid the bullying scandal and everything that happened after, if Miami made the playoffs this year and either won or lost, would your position on Philbin change in any way over what it is today?

The excuses I see people making are the losses to Tampa Bay, Buffalo, and the Jets. **** teams that Miami should've beaten (or so I see said in here). If Miami was able to beat them and make the playoffs despite the Incog/Martin saga and Miami loses in the first round be it by blowout or a close game, would your position on Philbin change in any way over what it is today?

If Miami won the Super Bowl would anyone give a **** about all of this?

I am sure it would have changed but they didn't beat those teams and he's 0 for 2 in trying to reach the playoffs so fans are frustrated. If the scandal didn't happen I don't think people would call for his ouster but the scandal w/ the end of the '13 season are enough reasons for fans to want him out.

 

[tl77]

Yes another Philbin thread. This is for those who want him gone.

Amid the bullying scandal and everything that happened after, if Miami made the playoffs this year and either won or lost, would your position on Philbin change in any way over what it is today?

The excuses I see people making are the losses to Tampa Bay, Buffalo, and the Jets. **** teams that Miami should've beaten (or so I see said in here). If Miami was able to beat them and make the playoffs despite the Incog/Martin saga and Miami loses in the first round be it by blowout or a close game, would your position on Philbin change in any way over what it is today?

If Miami won the Super Bowl would anyone give a **** about all of this?

If the scenario you stated did play out that way, I think I would give him more credit. I would be able to believe/have hope that he is someone who could get his team through a mess and win games that mattered. I don't understand the praise he gets for "getting the team through this" How did they get through it? They disappointingly lost winnable games and missed the playoffs.

 

[DuderinoN703]

Not many have answered my initial post. Skape, you have a problem with the on-field performance so far. If Miami makes the playoffs and loses, does your opinion change?

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If the scenario you stated did play out that way, I think I would give him more credit. I would be able to believe/have hope that he is someone who could get his team through a mess and win games that mattered. I don't understand the praise he gets for "getting the team through this" How did they get through it? They disappointingly lost winnable games and missed the playoffs.

I'd say they got through it by not losing the rest of their games. Bill Polian, think of him what you will, said today on TV that without Philbin's leadership Miami would've finished 6-10 at best. Granted it's one opinion and there's no way to prove his opinion, it's still an opinion that's out there.

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I am sure it would have changed but they didn't beat those teams and he's 0 for 2 in trying to reach the playoffs so fans are frustrated. If the scandal didn't happen I don't think people would call for his ouster but the scandal w/ the end of the '13 season are enough reasons for fans to want him out.

I guarantee you people would call for his firing if the scandal didn't happen. That's how society is now. They strike quick and expect immediate change because it's happened to one or two other teams.

 

[dphins51]

But in the end when it counted they did nothing except lose... is that expectable? For Ireland it was not, he is gone, how is it Philbin the guy who was in charge of the players and gameplan gets a pass ?
I am not a Ireland fan glad he is gone. It pains me to see ALL the talent coming out in the draft and we will be picking Lineman, Lineman,Lineman, Def Lineman..etc etc I think you get the picture.

 

[SkapePhin]

Not really, because I've always felt Philbin's ceiling is a one and done in the playoffs kind of coach. But hey, I'd take that at this point. As I mentioned, I just don't see the characteristics in Philbin that I feel is essential for a championship coach.


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[tl77]

I'd say they got through it by not losing the rest of their games. Bill Polian, think of him what you will, said today on TV that without Philbin's leadership Miami would've finished 6-10 at best. Granted it's one opinion and there's no way to prove his opinion, it's still an opinion that's out there.

Point taken, I can only comment on what did happen though. They went .500 after the scandal broke, losing the final 2 games with playoff implications. I appreciate the fact they didn't go winless, but this team showed they had enough talent to be a .500 team, regardless of coaching. So to me, if Philbin was able to win 1 of those 2 games and get into the playoffs, he would have shown me something.

 

[Anvil35]

I think the Philbin haters will use any reason to justify why Philbin needs to be fired. We lost those two end of season games last year, not because of poor coaching, but because the oline couldn't have blocked a peewee league team let alone two teams whose only strength were along the defensive lines. Many posters argue that Philbin didnt have the pulse of the team, specifically the o-line. Turner and the players used the Judas rule to keep things in house - the troubles were not going any higher than Turner. He is a former jarhead, as am I, and going up the chain of command has consequenses. Turner wasn't telling Philbin. I just wonder if Turner told Sherman anything?? I would still like to know the role of Sherman in this debacle.

 

[nyjunc]

Not many have answered my initial post. Skape, you have a problem with the on-field performance so far. If Miami makes the playoffs and loses, does your opinion change?

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I'd say they got through it by not losing the rest of their games. Bill Polian, think of him what you will, said today on TV that without Philbin's leadership Miami would've finished 6-10 at best. Granted it's one opinion and there's no way to prove his opinion, it's still an opinion that's out there.

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I guarantee you people would call for his firing if the scandal didn't happen. That's how society is now. They strike quick and expect immediate change because it's happened to one or two other teams.

I think under normal circumstances a HC needs at least 3 years but let's look at HC's since 2000 who have missed the playoffs their first 2 years:

bold indicates they eventually made playoffs

Greg Williams Buf
Mike Mularkey Buf
Dick Jauron Buf
Chan Gailey Buf
Ron Rivera Car
Marvin Lewis Cin
Dick Lebeau Cin
Romeo Crennel Cle
Eric Mangini Cle
Pat Shurmur Cle
Dave Campo Dal
Jason Garrett Dal
Marty Mornhinweg Det
Steve Mariucci Det
Rod Marinelli Det
Jim Schwartz Det
Dom Capers Hou
Gary Kubiak Hou
Jack Del Rio Jax
Dick Vermeil KC
Nick Saban Mia
Joe Philbin Mia
Mike Tice Min
Brad Childress Min
Norv Turner Oak
Tom Cable Oak
Dennis Allen Oak
Marty Schottenheimer SD
Dennis Erickson SF
Mike Nolan SF
Mike Singletary SF
Scott Linehan SL
Steve Spagnuolo SL
Jeff Fisher SL
Raheem Morris TB
Greg Schiano TB
Mike Munchak Ten
Steve Spurrier Was
Jim Zorn Was
Mike Shanahan Was


40 total, not one of them even made a conf title game w/ those teams. Only 2 have won SBs in previous stops. There are about 2-3 we'd consider very good coaches.

contrast that w/ the most successful guys in this era w/ their current teams

Beilichick: SB 2nd year
Tomlin: SB 2nd year
John Harbaugh: title game 1st year
Jim harbaugh: conf champs 2nd year
Carroll: playoffs 1st year
Coughlin: playoffs 2nd year
McCarthy: title game 2nd year
Payton: title game 1st year

 

[zach attach]

Yes another Philbin thread. This is for those who want him gone.

Amid the bullying scandal and everything that happened after, if Miami made the playoffs this year and either won or lost, would your position on Philbin change in any way over what it is today?

The excuses I see people making are the losses to Tampa Bay, Buffalo, and the Jets. **** teams that Miami should've beaten (or so I see said in here). If Miami was able to beat them and make the playoffs despite the Incog/Martin saga and Miami loses in the first round be it by blowout or a close game, would your position on Philbin change in any way over what it is today?

If Miami won the Super Bowl would anyone give a **** about all of this?

I couldn't care less about the way Joe did the Incog situation. He had a chance, a real shot at the playoffs to beat crappy Bills and Jets teams. Ireland made additions TO GET Joe there, in that spot-just beat the lowly teams at the end of the season. Joe failed, like he said, it's his team, his repsonsibility, his 8-8 record. He was hired to win those last two games, to rise above, and he failed. That's why I want him gone. No one here can say he won't crumble the same time next year. Most disturbing to me is if you watched him on the sidelines, it's almost as if he was watching his failure play out before him. He doesn't have it.