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I've read this board on QB play last year for many threats now..

1. We seem to all agree that OL play was terrible, heck even the OL agrees on that.

2. We all agree that we had no running game...and the stats, that I hate, bares that out..we were 31st..

3. We all agree that the QB's had less than 2 seconds once they planted their foot to throw...that's bared out by the fact that both starting QB's were knocked out for parts of the season with injuries. Our 3rd QB started the last game of the year it was so bad.

Now, my question, if it was that bad and we agree, what did you guys who bash AJ, and say no excuses for him and all that...really expect him to do behind that OL...Better question, what do you guys think P. Manning would have done? Can you guys answer both those questions for me? Thanks in advance...Remember, keep this to what those QBs could do behind last years OL, I already know what you think of AJ, so I'm not interested in that kind of answer...Bonus question, would P. Manning have thrown 49 TD's behind last year's Miami OL?
 
MDFINFAN said:
I've read this board on QB play last year for many threats now..

1. We seem to all agree that OL play was terrible, heck even the OL agrees on that.

2. We all agree that we had no running game...and the stats, that I hate, bares that out..we were 31st..

3. We all agree that the QB's had less than 2 seconds once they planted their foot to throw...that's bared out by the fact that both starting QB's were knocked out for parts of the season with injuries. Our 3rd QB started the last game of the year it was so bad.

Now, my question, if it was that bad and we agree, what did you guys who bash AJ, and say no excuses for him and all that...really expect him to do behind that OL...Better question, what do you guys think P. Manning would have done? Can you guys answer both those questions for me? Thanks in advance...Remember, keep this to what those QBs could do behind last years OL, I already know what you think of AJ, so I'm not interested in that kind of answer...Bonus question, would P. Manning have thrown 49 TD's behind last year's Miami OL?
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I think the wolves have been scared away. Nice point of view. I don't care how talented a guy is, a QB simply can't operate efficiently under the circumstances of last year.
 
MDFINFAN said:
I've read this board on QB play last year for many threats now..

1. We seem to all agree that OL play was terrible, heck even the OL agrees on that.

2. We all agree that we had no running game...and the stats, that I hate, bares that out..we were 31st..

3. We all agree that the QB's had less than 2 seconds once they planted their foot to throw...that's bared out by the fact that both starting QB's were knocked out for parts of the season with injuries. Our 3rd QB started the last game of the year it was so bad.

Now, my question, if it was that bad and we agree, what did you guys who bash AJ, and say no excuses for him and all that...really expect him to do behind that OL...Better question, what do you guys think P. Manning would have done? Can you guys answer both those questions for me? Thanks in advance...Remember, keep this to what those QBs could do behind last years OL, I already know what you think of AJ, so I'm not interested in that kind of answer...Bonus question, would P. Manning have thrown 49 TD's behind last year's Miami OL?
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I wouldn't waste my breath trying to convince AJ haters that he deserves a REAL chance. These people are very hard headed and only look at stats, without looking at the surrounding circumstances. That said, I sure hope AJ does well, but I will definitely bash him if he does not prove his worth this year.
 
I think they are just so mad that we gave up a 2nd round pick for him that they didnt want to give him a chance. It isnt his fault that we overpaid to get him, he deserves a shot.
 
MDFINFAN said:
I've read this board on QB play last year for many threats now..

1. We seem to all agree that OL play was terrible, heck even the OL agrees on that.

2. We all agree that we had no running game...and the stats, that I hate, bares that out..we were 31st..

3. We all agree that the QB's had less than 2 seconds once they planted their foot to throw...that's bared out by the fact that both starting QB's were knocked out for parts of the season with injuries. Our 3rd QB started the last game of the year it was so bad.

Now, my question, if it was that bad and we agree, what did you guys who bash AJ, and say no excuses for him and all that...really expect him to do behind that OL...Better question, what do you guys think P. Manning would have done? Can you guys answer both those questions for me? Thanks in advance...Remember, keep this to what those QBs could do behind last years OL, I already know what you think of AJ, so I'm not interested in that kind of answer...Bonus question, would P. Manning have thrown 49 TD's behind last year's Miami OL?
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your question is very valid and a good point. All those who bashed AJ was just upset about seeing Miami lose week after week. They felt they had to point fingers and AJ was the victim. Even the quick arm of Dan Marino wouldn't have saved this team much with the OL of last season. So, I don't think Manning would have faired much better and no way would he achieved the 49 TD mark. If Houck is as promising as everyone is saying, it should be an interesting season and hopefully alot of wins!!
 
I wonder what Rick saw in AJ to warrant giving up a 2nd-round draft pick for him. Bad OL or not, what we've seen so far isn't worth a 2nd-round pick. I sure hope that this year we all see what Speilman saw.
 
DonShula84 said:
I think they are just so mad that we gave up a 2nd round pick for him that they didnt want to give him a chance. It isnt his fault that we overpaid to get him, he deserves a shot.
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See they should separate the 2, his pay or what the phins paid for him is immaterial....what he had a chance to do the field is material..what did they expect him to do,based on my original post?
 
josephreese said:
I wonder what Rick saw in AJ to warrant giving up a 2nd-round draft pick for him. Bad OL or not, what we've seen so far isn't worth a 2nd-round pick. I sure hope that this year we all see what Speilman saw.
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See you're not answering the question..
 
I dont think everyone hates AJ, and I also think that there are a lot of Fans that understand that a QB needs time to throw a ball. we will see how AJ and Gus perform this year and then make a judgement. Of course that is if everyone is correct in assuming that the O line really has improved above all recognition from last year And you are quite right about Manning, he probably wouldn't have done much better:)
 
Whitedolphin54 said:
I dont think everyone hates AJ, and I also think that there are a lot of Fans that understand that a QB needs time to throw a ball. we will see how AJ and Gus perform this year and then make a judgement. Of course that is if everyone is correct in assuming that the O line really has improved above all recognition from last year
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I hear ya, but I'm try to set a tone of answering the specific questions I asked. If we give opinions, then this thread goes to 3000 posts, but if we answer the question I think we limit the arguments and focus on what people think a qb could do behind last year's OL.
 
MDFINFAN said:
I hear ya, but I'm try to set a tone of answering the specific questions I asked. If we give opinions, then this thread goes to 3000 posts, but if we answer the question I think we limit the arguments and focus on what people think a qb could do behind last year's OL.
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Yeah I already edited my last post
 
MDFINFAN said:
I've read this board on QB play last year for many threats now..

1. We seem to all agree that OL play was terrible, heck even the OL agrees on that.

2. We all agree that we had no running game...and the stats, that I hate, bares that out..we were 31st..

3. We all agree that the QB's had less than 2 seconds once they planted their foot to throw...that's bared out by the fact that both starting QB's were knocked out for parts of the season with injuries. Our 3rd QB started the last game of the year it was so bad.

Now, my question, if it was that bad and we agree, what did you guys who bash AJ, and say no excuses for him and all that...really expect him to do behind that OL...Better question, what do you guys think P. Manning would have done? Can you guys answer both those questions for me? Thanks in advance...Remember, keep this to what those QBs could do behind last years OL, I already know what you think of AJ, so I'm not interested in that kind of answer...Bonus question, would P. Manning have thrown 49 TD's behind last year's Miami OL?
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My God.......you are unbelieveable!

Feeley this, Feeley that....wah, wah, wah

It seems as if you are out to preach the word of Rick Spielman, and nothing else

o-line this, o-line that.....its getting irritating

AJ will either prove that he has it or not...he wont just be handed the job on a silver platter like you want him to...if not, he's basically done as a Dolphin...Why do you absolutely feel the need to post pro-Feeley/anti-Gus in just about every thread?

If he doesn't beat out Frerotte or Sage, THEN HE DOESNT DESERVE TO START! My god, can you live with that?

Whoever starts will give the Phins the best chance to win. Youth and potential mean nothing.....otherwise Brock would be starting

If AJ starts, then he has proven that he gives them the best chance to win. If not, he'll be gone when his salary jump to 3.5 mil next year

I honestly believe that its YOU who is not ok with the possibility of Gus starting, and that you're trying to get as many people to side with you to make yourself feel better.
 
Even under the difficult circumstances a QB can be evaluated. You don't expect him to put up great stats, but you can identify whether he has a feel for the game. There is a human tendency to assume that more information is more accurate. The fact is that's not always true. In many cases it's less accurate. You just need to be able to identify the most relevant predictors. The example that comes to mind is from outside the football world.

Cook County Hospital was trying to find a better way to predict which ER patients were really having heart attacks and which should be sent home. There is a fairly large list of factors that contribute to the likelihood of having a heart attack (EKG results, history of diabetes, age, etc.). Making assessments on all of these would often take as long as three days (which of course is very expensive). The Chief administrator there developed a 3 question questionaire covering what he felt were the most relevant predictors. Over two years they compared the accuracy of the diagnosis by the doctors using the old method and that of the questionaire. The result was that the doctors using all their experience and compiled data were far less accurate. The doctors were 70% less accurate at recognizing patients who weren't having heart attacks and between 6% and 20% less at identifying the people who were having heart attacks. In short, having more info didn't help, in fact it hurt.

There are examples like this everywhere and IMO it applies to analyzing QBs. You're looking for that IT factor. That feel for the game. All the other qualities like arm strength, mobility, etc. aren't good predictors. Sure, you need minimum levels of those to perform in the NFL, but almost all NFL QBs have those. When you look for a starter you look for feel. If the guy you have starting lacks that then you keep looking even if he has every other quality in spades.

That's the mistake I believe many of the people who believe in AJ are making. They either say we need more info or they are focused on an irrelevant predictor like arm strength. The relevant predictor is feel and AJ hasn't shown that.
 
rafael said:
That's the mistake I believe many of the people who believe in AJ are making. They either say we need more info or they are focused on an irrelevant predictor like arm strength. The relevant predictor is feel and AJ hasn't shown that.
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and the best indication of that is the fact that in all of the camp reports it was said that AJ still crumples in the face of pressure
 
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