Questioning our medical personnel...

[MexDolfan]

A bugging theme that left pending on my mind after those technical problems that maintained out of service this incredible forum, was the one entitled "10 NFL draft observations" by Floyd Resse of ESPN.com.
Perhaps somebody have talked about it but i haven't read anything about the most interesting parts in this analysis.

2. What are the Dolphins planning to do about quarterback?
How can you draft Ted Ginn Jr., who has admitted that he is only 85 percent healthy, over a franchise quarterback?A Lisfranc sprain of the foot can be a serious injury.

I know (or at least hope) that Ted's going to be ready for the season and shine in the league during several years, but a Lisfranc sprain can conduct onto ugly things like painful atherosclerosis.

8. The Dolphins need to question their medical personnel, trainers and injury evaluations.
After passing on Drew Brees for medical reasons, who went on to lead his team to the playoffs, the Dolphins signed Daunte Culpepper, who still might not be able to play. Then Miami turns around and drafts a player who might be weeks away from even being able to practice.

This was the worse medical evaluation of the year. Of course that we never could have matched New Orleans offer, but by saying that Saban choose Culpepper over Bress because of health aspects, points to question everybody in our medical crew. :shakeno: :shakeno:

 

[Kyndig]

I remember watching one of Saban's press conferences where he talked about why he signed cuplpepper and not Brees. He made some stupid analogy about paying for a house and then not having any money to put any furniture in it. When he made that comment, it seemed to me like money might have been a bigger issue with Brees then his medical history which certainly added to the risk.

When you couple that with the fact that Duante was representing himself, whilst Brees had an agent, you know that Brees was going to be more expensive. I'm not saying our medical staff was right, I'm just saying I wouldn't put it past Saban to lie about it and deflect attention from the real issue which is that he was too affraid to spend the money on Brees which is even worst because at least if it was a bonified medical opinion then you'd have that as an excuse.

 

[Elliott 1]

A bugging theme that left pending on my mind after those technical problems that maintained out of service this incredible forum, was the one entitled "10 NFL draft observations" by Floyd Resse of ESPN.com.
Perhaps somebody have talked about it but i haven't read anything about the most interesting parts in this analysis.

I know (or at least hope) that Ted's going to be ready for the season and shine in the league during several years, but a Lisfranc sprain can conduct onto ugly things like painful atherosclerosis.

This was the worse medical evaluation of the year. Of course that we never could have matched New Orleans offer, but by saying that Saban choose Culpepper over Bress because of health aspects, points to question everybody in our medical crew. :shakeno: :shakeno:

This is the definition of atherosclerosis according to dictionary.com

n. A form of arteriosclerosis characterized by the deposition of atheromatous plaques containing cholesterol and lipids on the innermost layer of the walls of large and medium-sized arteries.

In regard to your comment on a Lipsfranc sprain: What are talking about??
What does a sprained foot have to do with high cholesterol or triglycerides?

 

[Elliott 1]

And by the way, fondling boy is no franchise QB, nor will he ever be.

 

[Merman]

I remember watching one of Saban's press conferences where he talked about why he signed cuplpepper and not Brees. He made some stupid analogy about paying for a house and then not having any money to put any furniture in it. When he made that comment, it seemed to me like money might have been a bigger issue with Brees then his medical history which certainly added to the risk.

When you couple that with the fact that Duante was representing himself, whilst Brees had an agent, you know that Brees was going to be more expensive. I'm not saying our medical staff was right, I'm just saying I wouldn't put it past Saban to lie about it and deflect attention from the real issue which is that he was too affraid to spend the money on Brees which is even worst because at least if it was a bonified medical opinion then you'd have that as an excuse.

Absolutely. Saban also tried to use the medical excuse to lower Brees' contract demands, which didn't work because Tom Condon already had a contract in his pocket from the Saints before they came to Miami.

The doctor myth continues :

April 16, 2007
Minicamp wrap-up

Comments

As to the Randy Mueller item. Clearly, he had NO control over personnel decisions last year. But that said, I don't blame Saban for choosing Culpepper over Brees. He actually preferred Brees but was talked out of it by several doctors. He told me in confidence before last season that doctors told him that Brees' shoulder injury was the worst they had ever seen and that it was quite possible he wouldn't play last year. Hindsight is 20-20. I fault Saban more for keeping Bell off the field and for leaving Culpepper in for at least two games too long than I do for actually picking him over Brees. Also, his handling of Jason Allen was weak.

Wondering how former Hokie Marcus Vick feels today after yesterday's tragedy?

Later.

Posted by: Harvey Fialkov | April 17, 2007 at 10:15 AM

Sun Sentinel Link

Yeah, right and I'm not going to Alabama.

At the time Dr James Andrews who operated on both told the teams both QBs would recover and both were ahead of schedule on recovery.

 

[endorPHINS72]

And by the way, fondling boy is no franchise QB, nor will he ever be.

I hope you're prepared to stand by your words when he proves you wrong. I don't know where all this blind hate for Brady Quinn comes from. It's pretty disturbing.

 

[NathanHunt]

With all the MD's in the house, why has no one mentioned the fact that only "time will tell" how healthy Drew Brees really is? Sure, he had a great year last year. But, what if in week 1 he re-injures his arm by, oh say... THROWING the football?

I think the clamoring to predict this debate "over" is merely an effort for the whiners to make their "I told you so" speech about 3 or 4 years prematurely.

I'm SURE money was an issue. I'm SURE health was an issue.

But, I'm also SURE of something else, Saban has been publicly criticized for dragging his feet with this decision. This "debate" has manifested from some poor understandings about the true situation.

The fundamental flaw in all of these viewpoints is *how* this situation unfolded. Saban did NOT choose Brees or Culpepper based on established medical criteria. It's plain and simple, Saban would not cough up the money to pay for Brees and he drug his feet trying to low ball Brees until he came out and publicly chose New Orleans.

At that point, Saban had NO choice but to choose Culpepper. He was the ONLY ONE LEFT.

Saban did not choose Brees or Culpepper, he took what was remaining. He didn't have the balls to make the choice, so it was made for him. Plain and simple.

 

[jason8er]

This is the definition of atherosclerosis according to dictionary.com

n. A form of arteriosclerosis characterized by the deposition of atheromatous plaques containing cholesterol and lipids on the innermost layer of the walls of large and medium-sized arteries.

In regard to your comment on a Lipsfranc sprain: What are talking about??
What does a sprained foot have to do with high cholesterol or triglycerides?

I'm sure he meant Arthrosclerosis, which is one of the three components needed to properly diagnose osteoarthritis.

 

[MexDolfan]

This is the definition of according to dictionary.com

n. A form of arteriosclerosis characterized by the deposition of atheromatous plaques containing cholesterol and lipids on the innermost layer of the walls of large and medium-sized arteries.

In regard to your comment on a Lipsfranc sprain: What are talking about??
What does a sprained foot have to do with high cholesterol or triglycerides?

Sorry, in order to try to write correct sentences in English I'm using a speel checker, and i missed while selecting the right word and instead of "arthrosis" I put "atherosclerosis".
Sorry again.

 

[MexDolfan]

I'm sure he meant Arthrosclerosis, which is one of the three components needed to properly diagnose osteoarthritis.

I was trying to say arthrosis, but yeah arthrosclerosis is another potential derivation of this injury.

 

[Mike13]

Ginn's injury is supposedly a grade one lisfranc span, which takes 6-9 months to heal.

And its been four or five months since his injury.

 

[MexDolfan]

With all the MD's in the house, why has no one mentioned the fact that only "time will tell" how healthy Drew Brees really is? Sure, he had a great year last year. But, what if in week 1 he re-injures his arm by, oh say... THROWING the football?

I think the clamoring to predict this debate "over" is merely an effort for the whiners to make their "I told you so" speech about 3 or 4 years prematurely.

I'm SURE money was an issue. I'm SURE health was an issue.

But, I'm also SURE of something else, Saban has been publicly criticized for dragging his feet with this decision. This "debate" has manifested from some poor understandings about the true situation.

The fundamental flaw in all of these viewpoints is *how* this situation unfolded. Saban did NOT choose Brees or Culpepper based on established medical criteria. It's plain and simple, Saban would not cough up the money to pay for Brees and he drug his feet trying to low ball Brees until he came out and publicly chose New Orleans.

At that point, Saban had NO choice but to choose Culpepper. He was the ONLY ONE LEFT.

Saban did not choose Brees or Culpepper, he took what was remaining. He didn't have the balls to make the choice, so it was made for him. Plain and simple.

But instead of keep a low profile about it, he expressed the healthy factor as decision basis.

 

[MexDolfan]

Ginn's injury is supposedly a grade one lisfranc span, which takes 6-9 months to heal.

And its been four or five months since his injury.

This thread was born on the fact that perhaps our medical staff may need as much of retooling as our o-line.
So I hope Ted Ginn's evaluation is right and we may count with his agile feet during the whole season.

 

[LarryFinFan]

Ginn's injury is supposedly a grade one lisfranc span, which takes 6-9 months to heal.

And its been four or five months since his injury.

I believe it was diagnosed as a grade II lisfranc sprain. I did read that somewhere (an Ohio newspaper article), besides on this board (I think one of our draft guys (KB21, Jaj, Ck or someone said it) and the recovery is a little less time the significant thing is how long the boot needs to be on and when he starts wearing it...there's been no report of it so far...

I can't find the article, sorry...

 

[Bonedoc7777]

lets just all pray that there is not alot of soft tissue damage and the arch is stable, i am worried about ginn's health, hopefully the people who know more about his case gave good advice to cam and randy