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Quick explanation about the "medical" situation concerning Brees

LSSpam said:
As I explained. Dr. Andrews who did the surgery released the relevant medical information on Drew Brees.
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Yeah and what are you going to do about it? Absolutely nothing! Its over, why do you people keep harping on the past? There is nothing we can do about this. If we could I would head the movement but this is wasting air.

Seriously, If i were you I would try and figure out who we are going to draft that can make a immediate impact.

No dissing to you bro. Lets move on and hope we can build this team like Saban said. Its water under the bridge now.

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LSSpam said:
Either you are not reading, or not understanding.

The Doctor who performed the surgery said he would be back before the season started.

Period
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Breeze may very have been the better short term choice, but do you know how many N.O. fans have to wince every time he gets hit, or his shoulder gets smashed into the ground. That is not only a very serious injury involving the overall strength of the arm, but can be easily re-injured. His carreer was, or should I say is drastically shortened by the injury. Daunte is stronger and an all around better athalete than breeze and in time will prove to be a wise move.

PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE SOME ARE BLESSED WITH AND OTHER NEED TO LEARN...
 
Joey 22 said:
If we where talking about a Byron Leftwich getting a torn labrum and partially torn rotator cuff, all this wouldnt have been significant, but it was a Drew Brees we where talking about, a weak arm to begin with, even if healthy, there was potential arm strength loss, and in a WCO like they have in NO that isnt important, but we try to stretch the field, how could we work with a weak armed QB?.

Even right noew that every one is all over his jock, I doubt he has half the deep ball CPep has, we have witnessed what a conservative offense does to us, we suck!!! we saw last year what a vertical offense did, we where good. We cant and couldnt afford a weak armed QB, still if you look carefully, he has thrown to R Bush out of the backfield 84 TIMES!!!! 28 more to Deuce, Colston averages 15.2 yards per catch from that 4 yards are yards after the catch. in average Brees has only thrown the ball like 8 yards away from the LOS on average, that wont cut it with our skill players and schemes, his #1 rcvr is HIS RUNNING BACK!!!!!!
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number 1 in deep balls and passing yardage. Plus strength is overrated in deep balls, the lob and accuracy are very important elements and he has nice touch on those too.
 
LSSpam said:
There seems to be a lot of misconceptions about what happened in relation to Brees and the Dolphins medical staff. This is relevant now because I suspect the Dolphins still have the same medical staff so you might want to know how royally they screwed up.

Dr. Andrews is the one who performed the surgery on Brees' shoulder. Prior to Free Agency Dr. Andrews, at Brees' request, released a detailed statement about Drew Brees' shoulder to the press and released the specific medical files to all of the teams.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2351620&type=story

Dr. Andrews, in the specific report he released, said he expected Brees to be about 90% to 95% and that it was possible he would not be 100% until the next year. He also said Brees, if he did his rehab correctly would be ready for the NFL season.

The New Orleans Saints, as they would state, "bet" on the person Drew Brees was. They felt he would be a demon about his rehab and that he would be back in time for the season. They also structured the contract to allow an out if he reinjured it.

Now, this is what's important.

What on earth could the Miami Dolphins medical staff have seen or noticed about Brees' shoulder that made them feel he was more of a risk, approximately a 2nd rounder's worth more of a risk, then Culpepper?

It doesn't particularly make sense. The doctor who performed the surgery, Dr. Andrews (who is NFL-reknowned. He does many surgeries for many athletes and therefore has a reputation to protect and would not "go out on a limb") said Brees would be back. Brees said he would be back. The only remote concern was that he may not be 100% when he came back. Which, if he isn't a 100% yet, god help the NFL and the record books. But a 95% Brees is still a heck of a lot better then most NFL QBs.

It should be obvious to everyone that the Miami medical staff screwed up. This isn't 20/20 hindsight. It's an evident screw up. They took their own opinion, from looking at charts and notes, over the opinion of the qualified doctor who performed the surgery in the first place (and whose notes and charts they were looking at to make their own determination). Either they felt Brees wouldn't be deligent in his rehab (which seems ridiculous since they then went out and got Culpepper who was doing HIS rehab in a parking lot) or...well I don't know. I can't even fathom how they missed the boat on this.

Brees is gone and not the concern of the Miami Dolphins. Fine. But the decision making process which chose Culpepper over Brees remains and is still therefore a potential problem.

My personnal opinion? They passed on Brees for reason other then money (which could have been worked out, you can be creative) or the stated medical reasons (which don't make sense unless the Dolphins medical staff is full of idiots).
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Hey im my memory serves me right didnt Brees doctor undisclosed the documents. I believe they werent released immediately and it caused a stir with SD.

I think you forgot to mention that. By that happening SD became very suspicious of Brees surgery and to what extent was the damage.

It wasnt good and actually now that I remember it was the right decision based on all the circumstances.

Please include that little bit of tidbit when you post facts about the surgery.

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The details can be sliced and diced any number of ways, but as I recall, Saban's decision came swiftly on the heels of his meeting with team doctors, who's analysis was based on a direct, independant examination of Brees Shoulder.
Despite the report by Dr Andrews, its no secret that opinions vary across the medical professions, and given the potential conflicts of interest at stake, Sabans reliance upon the accuracy of the teams doctors, could of been prudent, perhaps suspicious, but choosing to heed the advise of the team's surgeon, IMO is tough to argue as anything short of sensible.
 
Please, put an end to this topic once and for all. The Miami Dolphins are going to win a Superbowl anytime soon, Brees isn't. Period.
 
Spiff said:
Please, put an end to this topic once and for all. The Miami Dolphins are going to win a Superbowl anytime soon, Brees isn't. Period.
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:sidelol: Whatever you say, Nostradamus. If you don't like the topic, don't read it.
 
LSSpam said:
There seems to be a lot of misconceptions about what happened in relation to Brees and the Dolphins medical staff. This is relevant now because I suspect the Dolphins still have the same medical staff so you might want to know how royally they screwed up.

Dr. Andrews is the one who performed the surgery on Brees' shoulder. Prior to Free Agency Dr. Andrews, at Brees' request, released a detailed statement about Drew Brees' shoulder to the press and released the specific medical files to all of the teams.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=2351620&type=story

Dr. Andrews, in the specific report he released, said he expected Brees to be about 90% to 95% and that it was possible he would not be 100% until the next year. He also said Brees, if he did his rehab correctly would be ready for the NFL season.

The New Orleans Saints, as they would state, "bet" on the person Drew Brees was. They felt he would be a demon about his rehab and that he would be back in time for the season. They also structured the contract to allow an out if he reinjured it.

Now, this is what's important.

What on earth could the Miami Dolphins medical staff have seen or noticed about Brees' shoulder that made them feel he was more of a risk, approximately a 2nd rounder's worth more of a risk, then Culpepper?

It doesn't particularly make sense. The doctor who performed the surgery, Dr. Andrews (who is NFL-reknowned. He does many surgeries for many athletes and therefore has a reputation to protect and would not "go out on a limb") said Brees would be back. Brees said he would be back. The only remote concern was that he may not be 100% when he came back. Which, if he isn't a 100% yet, god help the NFL and the record books. But a 95% Brees is still a heck of a lot better then most NFL QBs.

It should be obvious to everyone that the Miami medical staff screwed up. This isn't 20/20 hindsight. It's an evident screw up. They took their own opinion, from looking at charts and notes, over the opinion of the qualified doctor who performed the surgery in the first place (and whose notes and charts they were looking at to make their own determination). Either they felt Brees wouldn't be deligent in his rehab (which seems ridiculous since they then went out and got Culpepper who was doing HIS rehab in a parking lot) or...well I don't know. I can't even fathom how they missed the boat on this.

Brees is gone and not the concern of the Miami Dolphins. Fine. But the decision making process which chose Culpepper over Brees remains and is still therefore a potential problem.

My personnal opinion? They passed on Brees for reason other then money (which could have been worked out, you can be creative) or the stated medical reasons (which don't make sense unless the Dolphins medical staff is full of idiots).
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NIce post!

Sums up the situation completely.

It's clear as day that we blundered this decision.
Yes hindsight is 20/20 but we had all the indications that Brees is the direction we should go and ignored them.

It's over now though and all of us need to really hope Culpepper comes back healthy and proves he can be a top QB. If he dosen't we'll be suffering from this botched decision for much longer.
 
The milk is spilled, let's dry our eyes.
 
Unless Brees carries the Saints to a Super Bowl this year, which he won't......this Daunte/Brees decision is not going to be either won or lost this year. Neither were one year commitments. This will be ultimately judged over the long haul.

I said when we got Daunte that I wouldn't have been upset with the trade if he didn't play all year (looking back, I wish he hadn't). Showing a report that insinuates that Brees was more likely to be ready sooner does mean jack to me.

How about the chances of re-injury? What does either injury mean to the longevity of either's career? These are the questions which likely lead the Dolphin medical staff, and the several other independant experts they consulted, to go with Daunte over Brees.

If someone must proclaim a winner in the situation now, than of course it's the Saints and Brees by a landslide.....but I'm not rushing to judgement.
 
HysterikiLL said:
For the last freaking time, WE DID NOT "CHOOSE" CULPEPPER OVER BREES!!!!!!!

For crying out loud. Seriously, some of you guys JUST -DON'T - GET -IT. Brees decided he wanted to go to New Orleans. He said after he drove through the city and realized what changes needed to be made, and that he needed to be a part of those changes, HE NEEDED TO BE IN NEW ORLEANS.

So can we please stop with the "Saban was soooo stupid for picking Culpepper over Brees." This is the NFL, not the Super Value Bargain Bins.
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The only reason Brees made those comments was because of the money$ they offered him. Its easy to say things like that when they throw a ton of money at your feet. If Miami matched the offer he wouold have said how excited he was to come to Miami and help them win a Super Bowl!
 
Joey 22 said:
Please, how many of those plays where catch and run????? I havent seen a single play where HE throws 40 yards to a streaking rcvr, he throws 8 yards from the LOS, the receiver had owned his man, the safety, missed a tackle, and the rcvr was then off to a long run, they wherent BOMBS...
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I see you don't watch a lot of football then. That's not even an ill-informed opinion. That's just flat out wrong.
 
How many times are we going to discuss this already spent topic, and make excuses as to why we didn't sign Brees instead of Culpepper??...

So the doctors screwed-up, it's over now folks, time to move forward. There's no use in going back and trying to find a reason "why / how it happened" in my opinion. It's history now....

PHINZ RULE!!!!
 
Woulda, coulda shoulda are dumb posts. Let's work with reality, which means what we have right now and where we can go this year.
 
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