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While Ricky's drug test failure has not been fully verified by the NFL, the alarming number of increased reports seem to lend creedence to the story. Also likely, the PFT report that Ricky has missed a test. While I am still in a "wait for verification" mode, to deny that this report seems to be gaining validation would be foolish.

As some of you will remember, I was against bringing Ricky back last season. I thought nothing good would come if it, and I thought Ricky was washed up. I was wrong. I actually felt good for Ricky as he seemed to put forth strong effort and was definitely beginning to return to form. I found myself "on his side". Then we get slammed with this report. I must say, the allegation has precedent and momentum that seem rather damning, and it is starting to become clear that something negative has transpired here.

I think all Dolphin's fans are starting to feel some serious dissappointment and concern. Some of us are showing skeptical disbelief. I think all those things are normal, but what really gets me is listening to people make excuses for this. Rants like "it's the offseason, he shouldn't be tested", "marijuana isn't any big deal", "the marijuana laws are stupid", "he's a great player, they have no business bothering him about off the field behaviour", and my favorite "players do worse things all the time and don't get punished" are popping up all over this board. These are as dissappointing to me as the allegations against Ricky are.

FWIW:

1. Marijuana is illegal in the US. Period. Anyone using it is breaking US law, not just some NFL rule. It doesn't matter if you like this law or not, it is still a law and is enforced as such.

2. Being a player in the NFL is a JOB. Employers are fully within their rights to terminate employment based on drug abuse. Many jobs REQUIRE drug testing. This is legal. That the NFL allows 4 violations before handing out a year's suspension is an indication of how player friendly their rules are. Most employees in other jobs don't have anything nearly as liberal as the NFL's drug policy.

3. Playing in the NFL involves huge salaries. As is the case with any employer, as salaries increase, so do demands on the employee's individual freedoms. Large money makers are often expected to conduct lifestyles ameniable to shareholder confidence and corporate stability. While not all standards are the same, the understanding is that the employee, when taking the position, was willing to make certain personal sacrifices to keep it. This can be something as simple as dress code.

4. Ricky was fully aware of the league's substance abuse policy when HE CHOSE to seek employment in the NFL. If the NFL's demands ever became to much for him to deal with, he was able at any time to leave. Which he did. Upon his return, HE also AGREED to certain stipulations. If HE has violated any of those agreed upon terms, HE fully DESERVES to pay the consequences...ie. a year's suspension.

In short, if Ricky has failed again, it's HIS fault. There was no injustice here. There are no rediculous demands. All there is, is an open demonstration of whether or not Ricky wanted to remain employed by the NFL or not. It's all very simple really...and way beyond time for people to start making excuses for him.
 
Agreed, there is no room for excuses or margin for error if Ricky failed a test and it was positive.

If Ricky missed a test, unless the reason is valid and NFL HQ gives him the benefit of the doubt or he is given a repreive for being out of the country, etc...I will be upset at Ricky. I will say I am dissapointed that Ricky knew about an upcoming test, and didnt make sure his travel was approved...I only can hope the NFL meets him half way and does not issue a penalty.

Until I know for sure, he failed, or he broke the NFL rules regarding testing and out of country travel without testing, etc. I back Ricky and presume he is caught between a rock and a hard place and the Reporter from Denver has mudd on their face.

I have no room to bash Ricky on this speculation and heresay. I am waiting to hear from Ricky, Miami FO, or the NFL HQ.....all other sources are only unofficial specuation and pointless.
 
Dolphins_SR66 said:
Agreed, there is no room for excuses or margin for error if Ricky failed a test and it was positive.

If Ricky missed a test, unless the reason is valid and NFL HQ gives him the benefit of the doubt or he is given a repreive for being out of the country, etc...I will be upset at Ricky. I will say I am dissapointed that Ricky knew about an upcoming test, and didnt make sure his travel was approved...I only can hope the NFL meets him half way and does not issue a penalty.

Until I know for sure, he failed, or he broke the NFL rules regarding testing and out of country travel without testing, etc. I back Ricky and presume he is caught between a rock and a hard place and the Reporter from Denver has mudd on their face.

I have no room to bash Ricky on this speculation and heresay. I am waiting to hear from Ricky, Miami FO, or the NFL HQ.....all other sources are only unofficial specuation and pointless.
Good post!
 
Good post. I posted something similar this morning and got flamed for it. So, be prepared to take some crap. I definately agree with you though.....no more excuses!!!
 
Who said it wasn't his fault? He did the crime he pays the time. If there are mitigating circumstances.. then those need to be evaluated. I don't think anyone objects to tthat. We all just want to know the truth ASAP thats it.
 
A Wing Pilot said:
Who said it wasn't his fault? He did the crime he pays the time. If there are mitigating circumstances.. then those need to be evaluated. I don't think anyone objects to tthat. We all just want to know the truth ASAP thats it.

Many folks are blaming the rules if its true and making excuses for Ricky if it turns out to be true....read almost any thread and someone has piped up with stull like this:

volk said:
"Rants like "it's the offseason, he shouldn't be tested", "marijuana isn't any big deal", "the marijuana laws are stupid", "he's a great player, they have no business bothering him about off the field behaviour", and my favorite "players do worse things all the time and don't get punished" are popping up all over this board."

Thats some of the excuses that have been posted Volk is pointing out over the specualtions.
 
I think the reporter in Denver and her super-source need to be looked into. The NFL's substance abuse program is HIGHLY confidential. And there is a good reason for that.

Apparently there is a serious breach. Even if Ricky missed or failed, it doesn't excuse this leak.

That reporter's pal is in deep ****.
 
It's very true. NFL has yet to mention it on it's website, it's not on team news, therefore, it's only a rumor. At the moment! Could it be true? Yes. But could it be complete bullcrap? Yes. I think we're jumping the gun with Ricky, hopefully things will turn out the best way possible.
 
I must say, the allegation has precedent and momentum that seem rather damning, and it is starting to become clear that something negative has transpired here.

Not really. Even if it is true, we have lost nothing by bringing him back. We got most of a year out of a good back and allowed our new franchise back a soft landing into the NFL for practically nothing.

...what really gets me is listening to people make excuses for this. Rants like "it's the offseason, he shouldn't be tested", "marijuana isn't any big deal", "the marijuana laws are stupid", "he's a great player, they have no business bothering him about off the field behaviour", and my favorite "players do worse things all the time and don't get punished" are popping up all over this board. These are as dissappointing to me as the allegations against Ricky are.

?

Honest debate dissapoints you?

The world is rarely completely black and white. It's possible, even probable, that BOTH Ricky screwed up and the laws are stupid are true.

Is it ultimately Ricky's responsibility? Sure. Is it a dumb system? Also sure.

It is perfectly natural and even good that something like this opens discussion about the program itself.

FWIW:

1. Marijuana is illegal in the US. Period. Anyone using it is breaking US law, not just some NFL rule. It doesn't matter if you like this law or not, it is still a law and is enforced as such.

So is speeding. Zach got a ticket! BAN HIM FOR LIFE!

If the NFL thinks it has to be the custodian for legal issues not related to football performance, they need to give lifetime suspensions to every player who had a DUI or beat his wife.

Or perhaps they should just worry about football.

2. Being a player in the NFL is a JOB. Employers are fully within their rights to terminate employment based on drug abuse. Many jobs REQUIRE drug testing. This is legal. That the NFL allows 4 violations before handing out a year's suspension is an indication of how player friendly their rules are. Most employees in other jobs don't have anything nearly as liberal as the NFL's drug policy.

Don't confuse what is legal with what is right. And just because some other companies do the same thing isn't a reason to justify it.

3. Playing in the NFL involves huge salaries. As is the case with any employer, as salaries increase, so do demands on the employee's individual freedoms. Large money makers are often expected to conduct lifestyles ameniable to shareholder confidence and corporate stability. While not all standards are the same, the understanding is that the employee, when taking the position, was willing to make certain personal sacrifices to keep it. This can be something as simple as dress code.

And yet a wifebeater is a-ok? Or a stinking drunk driver?

4. Ricky was fully aware of the league's substance abuse policy when HE CHOSE to seek employment in the NFL. If the NFL's demands ever became to much for him to deal with, he was able at any time to leave. Which he did. Upon his return, HE also AGREED to certain stipulations. If HE has violated any of those agreed upon terms, HE fully DESERVES to pay the consequences...ie. a year's suspension.

Absolutely true.

In short, if Ricky has failed again, it's HIS fault. There was no injustice here. There are no rediculous demands. All there is, is an open demonstration of whether or not Ricky wanted to remain employed by the NFL or not. It's all very simple really...and way beyond time for people to start making excuses for him.

Again, life is not black and white. IT can be his fault AND an unjust system.
 
nopony said:
Again, life is not black and white. IT can be his fault AND an unjust system.


Whether or not you feel the system is just has no bearing on the situation. Ricky knew the rules. Ricky violated the rules...3 times, and now, potentially a fourth. There are no shades of gray in his first three offenses, yet somehow we are to suspend historical referrence when considering his possible fourth violation? I'm all for keeping an open mind, but never so open my brain falls out :shakeno: Your argument just doesn't make any useful sense.

Please feel free to have your own opinions on narcotics laws and corporate drug testing. You will have the same choice as Ricky...to decide whether any one employment opportunity is worth giving up some individual freedoms for, and if not, turning that position down or getting fired. It's just annoying if you agree to take a position in which drug testing is performed, fail to live up to the requirements of such a position, then whine about how unfair it is later. It's no different than repeatedly showing up late for work, constant dress code violation, taking too much vacation, etc... All these things can be looked at as excercising freedom of individual choice in protest of "bad rules", but in the end, you'll still get fired and no amount of whining about how "gray" the world is will change people's opinions about your foolishness.
 
volk said:
Whether or not you feel the system is just has no bearing on the situation. Ricky knew the rules. Ricky violated the rules...3 times, and now, potentially a fourth. There are no shades of gray in his first three offenses, yet somehow we are to suspend historical referrence when considering his possible fourth violation? I'm all for keeping an open mind, but never so open my brain falls out :shakeno: Your argument just doesn't make any useful sense.

Please feel free to have your own opinions on narcotics laws and corporate drug testing. You will have the same choice as Ricky...to decide whether any one employment opportunity is worth giving up some individual freedoms for, and if not, turning that position down or getting fired. It's just annoying if you agree to take a position in which drug testing is performed, fail to live up to the requirements of such a position, then whine about how unfair it is later. It's no different than repeatedly showing up late for work, constant dress code violation, taking too much vacation, etc... All these things can be looked at as excercising freedom of individual choice in protest of "bad rules", but in the end, you'll still get fired and no amount of whining about how "gray" the world is will change people's opinions about your foolishness.

Um... duh?

Did you bother to read my post?

If you go back and do so, perhaps we can discuss.
 
Has there ever been a bigger waste of taqlent than Ricky Williams? The man has all-time great ability and has smoked it away. Lucky for you guys you have Ronnie and he should be ready to take over the full time load.
 
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