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I was hoping that we'd draft him with one of our seventh rounders when I saw that he was available.

I remember watching him early in the season, during that win streak, trying to imagine what it would be like if we could trade up and land him whenever he decided to come out.

62% of his passes is not bad.

Neither is 24 total touchdowns.

Not a bad junior year.

Those two stats are not offset by one stepped-on-hamstring. One night with girls 3 years younger than him. Experimenting with pot. Middle fingers to opposing fans.

I will not accept, in any circumstance, contact with a referee. That can never happen.

The allegations regarding the gun in McDonalds are just that, allegations, so I don't know.

But I pray that Saban can use his sports psychology degree on him and straighten him out. He's only 21 years old for goodness sake.

If this happens, we have one of the most promising backups in the league (if Leinart, Young and Cutler all start).

Seriously though, Cleo Lemon?

Brock Berlin? 3 touchdowns, 6 interceptions in NFL Europe?

The OTHER free agent pickup, Justin Holland?

He can be a great quarterback. He has a lot of what it takes and it can't be taught.

Why not see if he can be taught the rest? Why paint him one way and turn the cheek?

You might miss a huge game.

He's a headcase and a problem, but how would you be if your dream was to be a quarterback and your brother was Michael Vick?

You may not react the same way, but maybe you could see how it is possible to react this way. Especially if you are immature and feel untouchable by association.

The other perfect situation for him would be as Donovan McNabb's backup, but that's never going to happen.

I'm sure Pepp already wants to help this kid. I could see him pushing him.

We can have him on our team for 3 years before doing anything with him and still have a 24 year old quarterback.
 
IMO I'm not sure he can handle the QB position at the pro level. I think he could be given a shot there but I think he is only 6' which is short for a QB. I would like to see him at RB or WR if he doesn't work out.


EDIt: Plus mentaly I don't think he could maintain being a QB.
 
b_hjelmeland123 said:
IMO I'm not sure he can handle the QB position at the pro level. I think he could be given a shot there but I think he is only 6' which is short for a QB. I would like to see him at RB or WR if he doesn't work out.


EDIt: Plus mentaly I don't think he could maintain being a QB.
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He's taller than Drew Brees, faster, and has a stronger arm. Not a valid point.
He will absolutely need to get his mind right.
 
The downside is we invited a still immature deliquent to rookie camp and we let him walk after the process or Saban polishes the roughest diamond coming out of college into an elite QB or at the very least a solid back-up. We can't lose. I don't understand why peeps are all disgruntled on other threads.
 
CubanCulebra said:
The downside is we invited a still immature deliquent to rookie camp and we let him walk after the process or Saban polishes the roughest diamond coming out of college into an elite QB or at the very least a solid back-up. We can't lose. I don't understand why peeps are all disgruntled on other threads.
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Thank you!
I've been saying that for days now, let me assure you no one with an opposing viewpoint will read what you just wrote.
 
Every guy that we ever had that came here with prior baggage continued to have that same baggage.Let me name a few:

Chuck Muncie--The white powder man
Tony Collins
Clayton Holmes--Several failed drug tests
Demetrius Underwood--Tried to kill himself on a bye week
Cecil Collins--Still in prison
LaCurtis Jones--Dude actually came to camp with a gun after being cut
Lawrence Phillips--Thug
Gene Atkins--Grabbed Olivadotti on the sidelines
Ricky Williams--"HIM"
Larry Webster--Druggie
Shane Burton--DUI alcoholic
Bobby Humphry--Got shot over drugs


Do we want to see Marcus Vick's name next for shooting someone at a fast food resturaunt over a blunt and a big mac?I think not.
 
South Florida said:
Those two stats are not offset by one stepped-on-hamstring. One night with girls 3 years younger than him. Experimenting with pot. Middle fingers to opposing fans.

I will not accept, in any circumstance, contact with a referee. That can never happen.

The allegations regarding the gun in McDonalds are just that, allegations, so I don't knowk.
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I think you're trying to hard to justify Vick. He didn't "experiment with pot". That's completely naive to think. You're "one night with younger girls" is a snapshot of his bad personality. you're list is too long to accept a person to take a very valuable roster spot. For god's sake, it's for 3rd string QB. :shakeno: :shakeno: bad post
 
Anthony D. said:
Every guy that we ever had that came here with prior baggage continued to have that same baggage.Let me name a few:

Chuck Muncie--The white powder man
Tony Collins
Clayton Holmes--Several failed drug tests
Demetrius Underwood--Tried to kill himself on a bye week
Cecil Collins--Still in prison
LaCurtis Jones--Dude actually came to camp with a gun after being cut
Lawrence Phillips--Thug
Gene Atkins--Grabbed Olivadotti on the sidelines
Ricky Williams--"HIM"
Larry Webster--Druggie
Shane Burton--DUI alcoholic
Bobby Humphry--Got shot over drugs


Do we want to see Marcus Vick's name next for shooting someone at a fast food resturaunt over a blunt and a big mac?I think not.
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I completely understand dude, and the chances are that he'll most likely end up on that list, but... But, what if? But, what if if he comes into camp prepared to stop mokeying around and ready become a millionare/star. But, what if this is just one of those really few times that the guy turns it all around. What do we stand to lose? Nothing. As a gambler, I know you have to lay your money down on a bet like that 10 out of 10 times, because you can't lose. And I don't care about VIck at all. I don't hate him, I don't like him, I just don't care about the guy. The problem with most of you posting is that somewhere along the line you made an emotional decision about a guy who has nothing at all to do with your life. That's okay. You're only human and human beings tend to do that. But feelings impair one's judgement. Think of Marcus as a piece of stock your boss gave you for getting on time to work for 6 months. What are the chances the stock shoots through the roof allowing you to quit your job and retire to Fiji? But you didn't invest in the stock, you have no ties to the stock, it's almost as if the stock doesn't exist, up untill an unlikely "what if."
 
Ohio Fanatic said:
I think you're trying to hard to justify Vick. He didn't "experiment with pot". That's completely naive to think. You're "one night with younger girls" is a snapshot of his bad personality. you're list is too long to accept a person to take a very valuable roster spot. For god's sake, it's for 3rd string QB. :shakeno: :shakeno: bad post
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You're wrong.

You know he is a habitual pot smoker? I know of only one incident (few at most). What is naive is to make assumptions.

One night with younger girls is a snapshot of him being an 18 year old with Mike Vick for a brother, not of his bad personality.

Completing 62% of his passes and scoring 26 touchdowns in his Junior season is a snapshot of his INTRIGUING talent.

I don't want a cancer on my team, but to be so emotional and adamantly against bringing in a potential player because of some mistakes he made between the ages of 18 and 21 is mindblowing...

As is your lack of logic. Seriously, did you think before you wrote this or were you just so enraged at Marcus Vick and his bad personality that you had to attack him here?

I hope you ostracize your friends who've had some experience with pot, alcohol and girls born after them. Otherwise you're a hipocrite.

Bad post? Nah
 
I think a bigger question than his off-field issues is whether he is really that good of a QB...He's not as elusive as his brother but does have a stronger arm. He's not as accurate as Mike (and thats NEVER been a word associated with Mike Vick)...I seriously doubt his ability as a QB at this level...but that said, there's more issues....

With his apparent issues dealing with authority (probably due to be a street punk with a famous brother who is very immature), how will he react to the pro level coaches. These guys (and particularly Saban) don't baby the players. They are expected to follow the rules and regs of the team. I'm not referring to him getting in some trouble at club or beating his girlfriend, I'm referring to him not wanting to change positions or lift weights or follow a regimented practice schedule or being asked to do something that he sees as meanial (sp)...That will be the questions I have about this guy. You could be very right that a lot of the issues have to do with him being young and he should have the chance to correct them...but one statement he made in the ESPN interview scares me right now...his comment was made (I can't remember his exact words, but the gist was) to indicate that he didn't feel he'd done that much wrong and that he didn't know what it was that got VaTech people upset enough to expell him...That tells me that he hasn't gotten it yet...but we'll see..Perhaps Saban can be the one to change the spots on the leopard....
 
LarryFinFan said:
I think a bigger question than his off-field issues is whether he is really that good of a QB...He's not as elusive as his brother but does have a stronger arm. He's not as accurate as Mike (and thats NEVER been a word associated with Mike Vick)...I seriously doubt his ability as a QB at this level...but that said, there's more issues....quote]

Nice contribution.

You're right, there is huge risk. He may not be able to handle the JOB. It is a lot of work and you are at the whim of the coaches.

He did, however, if I'm not mistaken, finish in the top 5 in pass completion. That's something to be enamored by, coupled with his 4.47 speed and strong-enough arm.
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South Florida said:
You're wrong.

You know he is a habitual pot smoker? I know of only one incident (few at most). What is naive is to make assumptions.

One night with younger girls is a snapshot of him being an 18 year old with Mike Vick for a brother, not of his bad personality.

Completing 62% of his passes and scoring 26 touchdowns in his Junior season is a snapshot of his INTRIGUING talent.

I don't want a cancer on my team, but to be so emotional and adamantly against bringing in a potential player because of some mistakes he made between the ages of 18 and 21 is mindblowing...

As is your lack of logic. Seriously, did you think before you wrote this or were you just so enraged at Marcus Vick and his bad personality that you had to attack him here?

I hope you ostracize your friends who've had some experience with pot, alcohol and girls born after them. Otherwise you're a hipocrite.

Bad post? Nah
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First of all, I don't have a problem with anyone smoking pot. But anyone who thinks Marcus only smoked pot once is a moron. It's a leisure drug that's easy to get a hold of, easy to smoke. The only problem I have is that it gets you suspended from the league.

Your cluelessness comes in the fact that you think this whole laundry list of "mishaps" are likely to be one time deals with Marcus. It shows a pattern of behaviour of extreme irresponsibility. He is the next Cecil Collins. IMO, not even as talented. If he just had one or two incidents, I might be fine with bringing him in, but he has many. He's not worth it.

And yes, my post was thought out, the question is, why are you so willing to embrace someone for the 3rd QB spot on our roster who can bring such bad attitude to the team? This isn't T Owens, it's for the 3rd QB spot. :shakeno:
 
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