Randy Starks vs. Matt Roth | FinHeaven - Miami Dolphins Forums

Randy Starks vs. Matt Roth

Rich

Rich

Seasoned Veteran
Joined
Jul 28, 2005
Messages
962
Reaction score
1
Career:
Randy Starks - 60 games - 132 tackles (2.2/game), 10.5 sacks (1 per 6 games)
Matt Roth - 45 games - 100 tackles (2.2/game), 7.5 sacks (1 per 6 games)

2007:
Randy Starks - 14 games - 16 tackles (1.1/game), 0 sacks
Matt Roth - 13 games - 43 tackles (3.3/game), 3 sacks (1 per 4.33 games)
 
I think Randy Starks is here to rectify a mistake they feel Randy Mueller made in allowing Kevin Carter to walk without adequately replacing him.

Kendall Langford is here as Vonnie Holliday's eventual replacement.
 
Rich said:
Career:
Randy Starks - 60 games - 132 tackles (2.2/game), 10.5 sacks (1 per 6 games)
Matt Roth - 45 games - 100 tackles (2.2/game), 7.5 sacks (1 per 6 games)

2007:
Randy Starks - 14 games - 16 tackles (1.1/game), 0 sacks
Matt Roth - 13 games - 43 tackles (3.3/game), 3 sacks (1 per 4.33 games)
Click to expand...


Isnt Starks here to play the nose?
 
I saw a couple games last year when Starks replaced an injured Haynesworth in the starting lineup; he was plain awful last year. In the games Starks started in place of Haynesworth, Rushing Yards Allowed increased by 90 Yards per game.

There are many critics of Matt Roth on this board. Last year, Roth was far superior to Starks.

This was my least favorite signing of the off-season... and I think Starks is a downgrade from Paul Soliai.
 
Starks and Roth are 2 different types of Dlineman. Roth is a Pass rusher first, while Starks is a Run stuffing type 3-4 d end. Starks was brought in here to be a runn stuffer on the outside meant to funnel the run plays directly into Jason Ferguson. Roth is much better as being an edge rusher, his run stopping skills leave a lot to be desired. Unfair to both players when comparing stats.
 
Two totally different players. Starks was a DT in a 4-3, Roth is a DE.

I still see Starks getting the bulk of his snaps at the nose, with an occasion down at DE to give Vonnie and Wright/Langford a breather.
 
Rich said:
I saw a couple games last year when Starks replaced an injured Haynesworth in the starting lineup; he was plain awful last year. In the games Starks started in place of Haynesworth, Rushing Yards Allowed increased by 90 Yards per game.

There are many critics of Matt Roth on this board. Last year, Roth was far superior to Starks.

This was my least favorite signing of the off-season... and I think Starks is a downgrade from Paul Soliai.
Click to expand...

Impossible. No really, it is impossible. 3 tackles. 3 friggin tackles. What a joke he was last year. Hopefully he can turn it around.
 
Dolfan1000 said:
Two totally different players. Starks was a DT in a 4-3, Roth is a DE.

I still see Starks getting the bulk of his snaps at the nose, with an occasion down at DE to give Vonnie and Wright/Langford a breather.
Click to expand...

Thats what i thought... Starks is a nose tackle. Roth is a DE. you cannot compare the 2
 
Well, Starks has the ability to be both a 3-4 DE and play the nose. His position flexibility is widely considered to be the primary reason he was brought in. Being 24 years old doesnt hurt either, when this team has missed on countless draft picks over the years.

Matt Roth, meanwhile, you could argue is too small to play 3-4 DE, and is closer to being a LB than he is a NT.
 
fatkirstyalley said:
Starks and Roth are 2 different types of Dlineman. Roth is a Pass rusher first, while Starks is a Run stuffing type 3-4 d end. Starks was brought in here to be a runn stuffer on the outside meant to funnel the run plays directly into Jason Ferguson. Roth is much better as being an edge rusher, his run stopping skills leave a lot to be desired. Unfair to both players when comparing stats.
Click to expand...
-- Since Starks had 0 sacks last year, we certainly can't call him a pass-rusher... so run-stuffing-type is more appropriate. We are in 100% agreement.

However, when you replace one player on the d-line with Randy Starks, and the opposing team runs for an average of 90 extra yards per game, I don't think that he's a very good run-stuffer, either.

Hopefully for all or our sakes... my prognostication turns out to be false, and we are pleasantly surprised by a career-best year out of Starks.
 
I dont think its necessarily fair to throw out that statistic as a negative about Starks. He was replacing (arguably) the most dominant DT in the NFL. Nobody expects him to be Haynesworth.

The defensive line as a whole must take responsibility. Putting it squarely on Starks is pretty misleading.
 
Rich said:
I saw a couple games last year when Starks replaced an injured Haynesworth in the starting lineup; he was plain awful last year. In the games Starks started in place of Haynesworth, Rushing Yards Allowed increased by 90 Yards per game.

There are many critics of Matt Roth on this board. Last year, Roth was twice the lineman Starks was.

This was my least favorite signing of the off-season... and I think Starks is a downgrade from Paul Soliai.
Click to expand...

First of all BP could line up at NT and do a better job than Solai did last year. How can a 400lb guy get pushed back 5 yards before the RB gets the hand off?
2nd - Roth and Starks don't play the same position - how can you compare? Roth was a joke last year injured or not. Starks was signed to play NT IMO. We have ALOT of DE's - so many that Roth has very little chance of even making this team.

Holliday and Langford start as my guess although I'm sure RWright is going to push there. I think Merling's position has to still be determined - is he a DE in the making or will he convert to an OLB. I think they will find out in camp when he is healthy if he is quick and smart enough to play OLB but that seems like it would be a great fit. BP loves to load up on DE's so who knows but Roth hasn't shown any signs of being worth a 3rd rd pick let alone a 7th rd pick.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom