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I was thinking of this and saw the article below this morning. I don’t think we have enough talent but I think Miami is underrated in this list of teams looking for a new head coach. I can see Cleveland and Green Bay as better situations than us but I don’t think Miami is close to the bottom of the list. Who knows if any of the young quarterbacks will develop to the next level. With all his shortcomings, with Tannehill, as a coach you know at least he is average. Miami somehow finds itself with a 6-10 to 10-6 record regardless of the coaches or injuries. Ross is publicly saying that a 6-10 to 10-6 record is not good enough as we want to contend for championship. I am not sure if that is what he will be selling to potential coaches but if he is that would mean a few pretty bad years. That may not interest most of the coaches. I think the real reason he let Gase go is because Gase was not on the same page with the team’s philosophy and had lost part of the locker room. No matter how much young talent these other teams have or not, as we have seen, it can take years to get out of being terrible. I am not so sure most people on this Board or the writers covering the Dolphins will be okay going through that although they are liking the concept today.

I apologize if someone has a post on this already.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports...e5-dolphins-coaching-rank-20190102-story.html
 
Happy New Year to All!

I was thinking of this and saw the article below this morning. I don’t think we have enough talent but I think Miami is underrated in this list of teams looking for a new head coach. I can see Cleveland and Green Bay as better situations than us but I don’t think Miami is close to the bottom of the list. Who knows if any of the young quarterbacks will develop to the next level. With all his shortcomings, with Tannehill, as a coach you know at least he is average. Miami somehow finds itself with a 6-10 to 10-6 record regardless of the coaches or injuries. Ross is publicly saying that a 6-10 to 10-6 record is not good enough as we want to contend for championship. I am not sure if that is what he will be selling to potential coaches but if he is that would mean a few pretty bad years. That may not interest most of the coaches. I think the real reason he let Gase go is because Gase was not on the same page with the team’s philosophy and had lost part of the locker room. No matter how much young talent these other teams have or not, as we have seen, it can take years to get out of being terrible. I am not so sure most people on this Board or the writers covering the Dolphins will be okay going through that although they are liking the concept today.

I apologize if someone has a post on this already.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports...e5-dolphins-coaching-rank-20190102-story.html

It's unrealistic to rank teams. Too many variables. What if a new HC wants his own QB? What is his first priority is a solid D, or the age of the QB, or a chance to make massive player changes? No one knows. Maybe Ross will give the new guy a guarantee of 4 years to change personnel. Maybe he'll neuter Grier to make a candidate happy. Maybe Ross will offer $5mm more than the other team. Anyone pretending to know Miami's rank for a specific candidate is creating a myth.
Certainly there are teams that seem to have more complete roster and/or a QB in place. Not denying that. Just saying ranking teams as if that ranking holds true for all candidates is doing lazy analytics.
 
I like Dave Hyde. He writes nice enjoyable articles and seems like a nice guy. Unfortunately, when it comes to analyzing football, I tend to have a different opinion than he has. But Hyde recognizes good analysis, and has supported our friends Simon and CK in the past, and they both have exceptional football analysis. Regardless, I rank the openings differently than Hyde does. IMHO, each potential head coach is going to rank them differently, because each candidate is looking for slightly different things or emphasizes slightly different things. Some jobs are just better than others, no doubt, but all 8 of these are in that mid-range I think. Here's how I see it.

1. Cleveland
Hyde explained this one beautifully, so nothing more to explain, we agree. But, it is still Cleveland, which is not a destination for FA's, not a market that gets a lot of extra money from endorsements etc., and it's hard to recruit FA's to a smaller market midwestern town that plays outdoors in the cold. The owner is not a big spender, so in essence, these things mean you are working with a lower salary cap number each year, because you either have to overpay (e.g. Jarvis Landry) or just realize you cannot get most FA's. That is a drawback. You also play in a division with two very strong franchises, the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Baltimore Ravens. Tough sledding in the Black and Blue division.

2. New York
Yeah, hate to say it, but they're a team with defensive talent, a good young QB …. and I mean YOUNG, he was the youngest of last year's rookies and he looks like he is progressing nicely. Destination city that attracts FA's by itself, huge media exposure so if you get good you become a legend, and a history of poor performance so the pressure is relatively low. Easy to attract coordinators, and has some solid building blocks on defense. It is in a division that has the Buffalo and Miami, two extreme weather locations but also teams that have not been special in the last decade or so. The marquee team is New England, but they have a 40 something QB and a 67 year old coach ... how much longer will they really compete? This is a location that is ripe for a turnaround … unfortunately.

3. Denver
Those defensive stalwarts that Hyde mentioned are big positives. But it gets better. The offense is a clean slate, so any new coach comes in and can basically start from scratch knowing nobody is safe and everyone needs to toe the line. The Defense has resources and is extremely hungry to get back to the Super Bowl, so recruiting a DC should be easy. The weather in Denver is surprisingly comfortable year round, with not much rain and lots of clear open lifestyle choices that are attractive to raising kids and getting outdoors. This is a good job.

4. Miami
Potentially as good as any of the teams ahead of it actually. With Xavien Howard, Minkah Fitzpatrick and Bobby McCain we have the makings of a good young secondary. Everyone else on the defense is dealer's choice, take 'em or leave 'em, so the coach can pick and choose and no one will judge him when the reaper's scythe culls the defense or changes the scheme. On offense you have a talented receiving corps and a very talented but yet to explode TE in Mike Gesicki (yes, I am still a firm believer) to help your new QB of choice. We have a top LT and mix-and-match pieces no matter what blocking scheme you want to run, you keep half, jettison half, and add who you like, then you can phase out who you like in year 2. We have a RB that can pass protect, receive, run and make explosive plays. If you can solve the riddle of the OL, this offense is tailor made to grow your new QB. You get to (and must) select a new QB, which every coach wants to do. The owner is patient and willing to spend money while letting you handle the football side. Perfect. Fantastic environment to live and work year round. No state taxes. Maybe not a destination city for FA's like NYC or LA, but it's got a lot of advantages for potential FA's so it's probably 2nd only to NY as a destination city looking for a coach. Wives and kids will love it. Lots to like.

5. Tampa Bay
Lots to be wary of, starting with the QB with whom you will be joined at the hip. Not great, sometimes controversial, and has had injury issues. Not what I'd call dependable or safe. If you want to win the turnover battle … this might not be your guy. If you need someone to manage the game, this isn't your guy. If you need someone to depend on every game … not your guy. I see a lot of coaches--offensive minded and defensive minded--that will shy away from Tampa because of the QB situation. Everything Hyde mentioned is correct too … meaning there's a lot of warning signs. I'd definitely put Tampa Bay behind Miami on the coaches preference ranking.

6. Green Bay
As Admiral Achbar said, "It's a TRAP!" So you will be given 2 years to succeed not 3, because Rodgers is in win-now mode. You have no talent except Rodgers, and you need to adapt your offense to service Rodgers. Don't get me wrong, he's the best QB in the game when healthy. But he's also a strong willed leader who will challenge the coaching staff. The cupboard is bare as far as talent, so really it's all about can you leverage Rodgers' health and ability immediately to outscore opponents? Not a great scenario for a coach wanting to rebuild.

7. Cincinnati
Lewis did a great job with minimal resources. The Bengals are another team that doesn't always spend up to the cap ceiling, and sometimes barely exceeds the cap FLOOR … yeah, it has a floor, and owners that can't afford to bleed money like Multi-Billionaires can are forced sometimes to balance the books. Not a destination. Black and Blue Division. Lesser funds. Smaller effective salary cap. Expectations that are high. Yeah, this is setting someone up to fail.

8. Arizona
Disarray and tied to a QB who has issues. I think this might be the one spot that a lot of coaches simply aren't interested in tackling.

Each candidate will have a completely different ranking, but in general, I'd say it looks more like this than Hyde's list. Just my $0.02 on the vacancies.
 
Did anyone else catch is in the article?
The Dolphins passed on Rosen in last year’s draft, taking defensive back Minkah Fitzpatrick and leaving him for the Cardinals at No. 14.
This obviously didn't happen. The Cardinals traded ahead of the Dolphins to get Rosen. You know it's a good article when the very few facts in it are wrong.

Kinda want to apply to be a proofreader for the Sun Sentinel. Seems like you can barely glance at an article and get paid for it, regardless of what the article says.
 
I think the real reason he let Gase go is because Gase was not on the same page with the team’s philosophy

Gase sure had a peculiar way of "winning now" with the way he used Gesicki to block and...

Not buying that crap.

Gase had his chance and obviously had his hand in the roster + picks etc.

He's simply NOT N F L HC material.
 
I'd rate the Dolphins dead last. The owner meddles in coaching decisions, supposedly, and always tries to marry new, incoming coaches and staff with holdovers from previous regimes. So, you know, if you're a coach and your coordinator accepts a promotion elsewhere, don't be surprised when the boss forces you to promote from within and live with that arrangement for the rest of your contract. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Did anyone else catch is in the article?

This obviously didn't happen. The Cardinals traded ahead of the Dolphins to get Rosen. You know it's a good article when the very few facts in it are wrong.

Kinda want to apply to be a proofreader for the Sun Sentinel. Seems like you can barely glance at an article and get paid for it, regardless of what the article says.
Don't apply for the proofreader job … clearly it doesn't pay well enough.
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1689429/amp

Different perspective, puts miami at 7. Limited cap room, lower draft pick and a no QB.
The salary cap things are a mirage. Any coach worth his salt is going to come in and wreck any of these rosters to bring in people loyal to him, that fit his systems, are young and can grow, and who do not accept losing. Looking at the team's current salary cap is deceiving. It's year 3 they need to focus on, because year's 1 and two will be heavy on draft picks from the rebuild.

They rank Green Bay high because of Rodgers and stability … but that's the team that just fired a coach in mid-season who had won them a Super Bowl with this very QB. With the QB that is their one asset, this coach was doing well. Without Rodgers he struggled. That suggests that the pivotal variable is Rodgers' health, not his coaching. And it underlines the problem … there's not a lot of talent on this roster absent Aaron Rodgers. Green Bay will not be high on most candidates rankings, IMHO.

These rankers believe in Josh Rosen … I do not. The consensus of coaches around the league is that they're not excited to work with the guy and are unsure whether he will be a success or disaster. I think most coaches shy away from him and Arizona.

This article seems to think that a new coach will have free range to jettison Jamies Winston. I doubt that, but even if they do, it will come with a sizable fan backlash for trashing their hometown hero. That sort of thing creates a lot of pressure to win-now. If they don't jettison Jamies Winston … he's just not that reliable, and coaches know it.

This article reads like much national media … only a surface level view of teams that they don't cover.
 
I mentioned this in VIP and I'll mention this here as well. The poll is going based on teams with a quarterback. The Browns on paper look like a slam dunk and they have good people in their front office but Jimmy Haslem has a history of undermining his front office and pulling the plug on people so that will be on a coach's mind. The Jets have Darnold and cap space but they also have a GM on the hot seat and ownership that is obsessed with publicity. Denver has ownership questions. The Packers have Rodgers but questions regarding talent. We dont have a QB and are a true rebuild.

So dont take these polls too seriously as each team has pros and cons.
 
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