Rankings the AFC East WR corps

[sharp]

I don't see how anyone can disagree with this, our WR corps is a joke.

I can see how some might have some blind optimism, but we started last year 0-7, we lost a pro bowl WR. If anything I wanted to add a piece with Marshall going into this year. The article and topic is about pure paper talent, and its simple to say we are the worst in the AFC east. The offense and the dynamics of the QB are going to change, and I hope we have one of the best young upcoming WRs in the league, but you can't argue the article right now. And did someone compare bess' reception total to holmes' talent? lol

 

[NYinBostonFin]

I don't understand how anyone can say we don't have the worst WR core in the division. If someone can explain to me how we aren't in the bottom I'd love to hear...refrain from using words like "system" and "BM drops"....because saying it doesn't make our WR core better.

 

[DANTODUPER]

The Dolphins don't have a WR that demands double coverage and I expect that issue is first on Ireland's 2013 to do list if no one steps up this season. On paper they are not a dominate group but there is a lot of potential.

I honestly think our passing attack will depend on the success that players like Clay, Egnew and Bush have. Last year 13 of the top 50 receivers were TE's. I don't believe that our new WCO will be magical, however I do believe in the potential of an offense that involves Bush, Clay, Egnew and Miller on the passing game, cause they are players that can do something "different" with the ball on their hands. Great coaches "adjust" to the talent they have on their teams, that is why you see Ray Rice, Arian Foster, Darren Sproles and McCoy having lots of receptions, that is why you see Bellicheat using his two gigant TE's as primary targets. I really believe Philbin could do something interesting with Clay, Egnew, Bush and Miller.
Bess and Hartline just need to be consistent and lower their drops. I have the feeling that Gates will surprise many of us this year.

 

[Statler Waldorf]

So the guy has one bad drop against the fins and thats enough to make Davone a better pro? lol not even close

So if Holmes is such a great receiver then why did Pitt get rid of him? If Holmes is such a great receiver then why did Pitt only get a 5th round pick for him (the same round pick we got for Ginn)? I can’t believe you are pumping rainbows into a guy who hasn’t had more than 52 receptions for the Jets, he is a very average player. Bess led the league in 3rd down conversions in 2010, he has never been suspended for personal conduct, he has never been traded and if he were we would surely get more than a 5th for him, he has never quit on his teammates in a must win situation (week 17 last year Holmes had a whopping 0 receptions in a must win game against Miami), he is a better route runner than Holmes, and he has better hands than Holmes. All of this added together is enough to easily outweighs the handful more touchdowns Holmes has scored. You've got a very weak argument at best.

 

[Spesh]

So if Holmes is such a great receiver then why did Pitt get rid of him? If Holmes is such a great receiver then why did Pitt only get a 5th round pick for him (the same round pick we got for Ginn)? I can’t believe you are pumping rainbows into a guy who hasn’t had more than 52 receptions for the Jets, he is a very average player. Bess led the league in 3rd down conversions in 2010, he has never been suspended for personal conduct, he has never been traded and if he were we would surely get more than a 5th for him, he has never quit on his teammates in a must win situation (week 17 last year Holmes had a whopping 0 receptions in a must win game against Miami), he is a better route runner than Holmes, and he has better hands than Holmes. All of this added together is enough to easily outweighs the handful more touchdowns Holmes has scored. You've got a very weak argument at best.

Same reason why Denver got rid of Brandon Marshall: he's a headcase. As well, Pitt wanted to get rid of Holmes quickly and was willing to take faaar less for him then he was worth. Combination of 4 game suspension, contract dispute, and locker room disruptions caused Holmes to be had for a 5th rounder.

Possibility of a suspension and being a headcase led to Brandon Marshall being had for a few 3rd round picks. And hes certainly worth more(as we found out when we paid 2 second round picks and a fat contract).

 

[afphinfan]

I could care less what ESPN says but our WR corps is definitely a question mark ... but so is our QB situation, our offensive scheme, and our coach. I have high hopes and hope that it wont take long for it all to come together but I really have no idea what the team will look like in the beginning of the year. The reason Welker and Moss (as a Steeler) were so hot is because of their QB ... Welker was a good Dolphin but is a great Patriot. I hated to see him go but he would not have flourished the way he has in NE. I think Bess will do well and Hartline will struggle some but probably get better; I am praying that Gates is given a chance and runs withs it. I also think that Fasano, Egnew and Clay really could benefit from our new scheme and better Oline. As far as QB, dont care which for this season just want the starter to earn the job and I hope that THill is the long term answer as I really like his confidence, size and smarts.

 

[Statler Waldorf]

Combination of 4 game suspension, contract dispute, and locker room disruptions caused Holmes to be had for a 5th rounder.

I don't think Marshal is a very good pro, and neither is Holmes. Staying out of trouble and not disrupting lockerooms is just as important as what is done on the field, unfortunately for Holmes he didn't exactly tear it up on the field either last year.

 

[damanref10]

So if Holmes is such a great receiver then why did Pitt get rid of him? If Holmes is such a great receiver then why did Pitt only get a 5th round pick for him (the same round pick we got for Ginn)? I can’t believe you are pumping rainbows into a guy who hasn’t had more than 52 receptions for the Jets, he is a very average player. Bess led the league in 3rd down conversions in 2010, he has never been suspended for personal conduct, he has never been traded and if he were we would surely get more than a 5th for him, he has never quit on his teammates in a must win situation (week 17 last year Holmes had a whopping 0 receptions in a must win game against Miami), he is a better route runner than Holmes, and he has better hands than Holmes. All of this added together is enough to easily outweighs the handful more touchdowns Holmes has scored. You've got a very weak argument at best.

you obviously didn't pay attention to the holmes/pitt situation at all then. had nothing to do with his play on the field and everything to do with him getting busted for marijuana possession AGAIN.

my argument is weak at best because what? you make up some opinion about who is a better route runner and who has better hands?

you want to argue about who is a better Samaritan? ill agree with you about bess all the way
who is a better locker room guy? ill agree with you bess all the way
who is a better football player? only aqua and orange glasses will make me agree with you about bess

 

[hoops]

i'd start hoping for scheme based production with this wr core...in other words we outscheme the opposition and we get guys unaccounted for through formation and scheme...cause unless one of these rooks are consistent win players against coverage we are gonna have our hands full...that said i think philbins o will help offset some of that...provided we run a lot of green bay type stuff...although you still need a consistent win wr on 3rd down and i'm having a hard time finding that...in green bay greg jennings was the win wr in the clutch...we don't have anything close to that...

and i wouldn't expect michael egnew to be a win guy against coverage either...

 

[13ktownguy]

Can't dispute that right now... Obviously, guys can rise during the season, but right now, the WR corps here is a complete unknown. The other teams have some established guys.

I think the Dolphins will definitely have a more efficient passing offense than the Jets, but their WR corps is better on paper.

I agree with what you're saying. I feel confident about this group mostly guys who can run good routes and have good hands.

 

[Mogwai]

Why are some of you offended? Reality check yourselves, homers. We have question marks we hope will resolve into answers. That's different than gauging a situation based on previously proven performance. At the end of the year maybe things will look different, but if you're going to speculate at this point of the year then of course we come in last.

 

[Jetsfan0099]

I don't see what the big deal is, the Dolphins do have the worst WR corps on paper in the division. And the guy saying that Bess is better than Holmes is insane, awful argument to only bring up catches to why hes better. Ask any NFL GM which WR is better, all 32 even the Dolphins would say Holmes, yes he can be a idiot and was probably a cancer last season but hes still the better and more talented player who can win you games. One has made game winning plays to get his team to the playoffs and made game winning plays in the playoffs to move on, along with making a game winning SB catch to win a SB and get SB MVP, the other is a slot receiver... I expect that Holmes will be much better next season, it seems like a lot of his frustrations were not getting the ball enough. But him and Mark have been close this offseason and working hard together, so I hope it works out and he gets back to being a play maker.

Just because the Dolphins have a weak WR corps on paper, doesn't mean they will suck. I mean I think they are going to be in last place in the AFC east again, but I could be wrong.

 

[NYPhin24]

I don't see what the big deal is, the Dolphins do have the worst WR corps on paper in the division. And the guy saying that Bess is better than Holmes is insane, awful argument to only bring up catches to why hes better. Ask any NFL GM which WR is better, all 32 even the Dolphins would say Holmes, yes he can be a idiot and was probably a cancer last season but hes still the better and more talented player who can win you games. One has made game winning plays to get his team to the playoffs and made game winning plays in the playoffs to move on, along with making a game winning SB catch to win a SB and get SB MVP, the other is a slot receiver... I expect that Holmes will be much better next season, it seems like a lot of his frustrations were not getting the ball enough. But him and Mark have been close this offseason and working hard together, so I hope it works out and he gets back to being a play maker.

Just because the Dolphins have a weak WR corps on paper, doesn't mean they will suck. I mean I think they are going to be in last place in the AFC east again, but I could be wrong.

Yes Holmes is so good that one of the top 3 organizations in the NFL traded him for a 5th round pick, he is so great that he had 51 catches for 654 yards, that is real top flight #1 WR production right there, oh and i forgot he quit on his team last game of the season playoffs on the line, is a locker room cancer, openly criticized Sanchez, and for you to believe that him and sanchez are all buddy buddy now because they had a few PR moves over the offseason your in complete denial, primadona whiney WRs like Holmes dont like QBs like Sanchez who overthrow him, skip balls to him and throw a lot interceptions, and everything you named holmes did so great was with the Steelers like his Super Bowl catch which has nothing to do and does not equate to anything with the Jets

Bess 51 catches 547yards as the #3 WR, same number of catches as your "#1" great WR with 100 less yards, and your paying holmes 50million and have to deal with his drama and B.S. in the lockeroom

by the way who are the Jets to criticize a WR corps, whos your #2? Jeremy Kerley who had 29 catches last season? your rookie from GT who is extremely raw and has 30 catches last season and wasnt even thought of until he ran his 40? draft bust Patrick Turner????

 

[JayAngel]

Yes Holmes is so good that one of the top 3 organizations in the NFL traded him for a 5th round pick, he is so great that he had 51 catches for 654 yards, that is real top flight #1 WR production right there, oh and i forgot he quit on his team last game of the season playoffs on the line, is a locker room cancer, openly criticized Sanchez, and for you to believe that him and sanchez are all buddy buddy now because they had a few PR moves over the offseason your in complete denial, primadona whiney WRs like Holmes dont like QBs like Sanchez who overthrow him, skip balls to him and throw a lot interceptions, and everything you named holmes did so great was with the Steelers like his Super Bowl catch which has nothing to do and does not equate to anything with the Jets

Bess 51 catches 547yards as the #3 WR, same number of catches as your "#1" great WR with 100 less yards, and your paying holmes 50million and have to deal with his drama and B.S. in the lockeroom

by the way who are the Jets to criticize a WR corps, whos your #2? Jeremy Kerley who had 29 catches last season? your rookie from GT who is extremely raw and has 30 catches last season and wasnt even thought of until he ran his 40? draft bust Patrick Turner????

I think they're arguing talent. Holmes "has more talent" than our recievers. But the truth is, we don't know. Who says Hartline can't produce better than Holmes? No one can. I don't see the Jets recievers that better than ours. The Bills maybe, the Pats for sure. But like others have said, maybe our recieving yards come from TEs, or Clay. Our passing attack may very well be more successful than the Jets.

 

[JayAngel]

I don't see what the big deal is, the Dolphins do have the worst WR corps on paper in the division. And the guy saying that Bess is better than Holmes is insane, awful argument to only bring up catches to why hes better. Ask any NFL GM which WR is better, all 32 even the Dolphins would say Holmes, yes he can be a idiot and was probably a cancer last season but hes still the better and more talented player who can win you games. One has made game winning plays to get his team to the playoffs and made game winning plays in the playoffs to move on, along with making a game winning SB catch to win a SB and get SB MVP, the other is a slot receiver... I expect that Holmes will be much better next season, it seems like a lot of his frustrations were not getting the ball enough. But him and Mark have been close this offseason and working hard together, so I hope it works out and he gets back to being a play maker.

Just because the Dolphins have a weak WR corps on paper, doesn't mean they will suck. I mean I think they are going to be in last place in the AFC east again, but I could be wrong.

Oh, please. Holmes hasn't been as advertised and your assumptions are based on the talent he displayed in Pittsburgh alone. It's hard for you Jet fans to admit that your offense sucks, doesn't it?