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Re-grading Every Team's 2018 Draft Class(miami Dolphins)

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  1. 2018 Draft Class

    Alabama DB Minkah Fitzpatrick (No. 11 overall), Penn State TE Mike Gesicki (No. 42 overall), Ohio State LB Jerome Baker (No. 73 overall), Notre Dame TE Durham Smythe (No. 123 overall), Arizona State RB Kalen Ballage (No. 131 overall), Southern Miss DB Cornell Armstrong (No. 209 overall), Ohio LB Quentin Poling (No. 227 overall), New Mexico K Jason Sanders (No. 229 overall)

    Lost in a middling 7-9 season was a strong draft class for the Miami Dolphins.

    Minkah Fitzpatrick won't get the attention classmates such as Leonard will, but he was a stud in the defensive backfield for the Dolphins, recording 80 tackles and nine passes defensed—not to mention two touchdowns, with one of those going back for a score against Minnesota in Week 15.

    Jerome Baker is right behind him at 79 tackles and has three sacks and an interception that went back for a touchdown. Next to Raekwon McMillan, Baker and his leadership make the Dolphins look good.

    Maybe most disappointing was Mike Gesicki, who had just 32 targets. But other offensive rookies have produced when given a chance. Kalen Ballage pounded out 123 rushing yards and a 75-yard score in Week 15.

    With a key position solidified with a star and a weak point addressed at linebacker, not to mention Gesicki's upside, the Dolphins have a nice base to work with as they charge into a question mark of an offseason.

    Grade: B
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2813362-grading-every-nfl-teams-2018-draft-haul#slide19
 
This analysis really should have included Jason Sanders … yeah, he's a kicker, but he was a very good late round pick.

TE's rarely do particularly well as rookies, so IMHO, it's too early to grade Gesicki. I think he is going to be a gem of this draft. Likewise, I think Fitzpatrick is going to be an excellent player for us, and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
 
I think any analysis including Fitzpatrick is in waiting due to extremely poor coaching on both sides of the ball. He was out of position most of the time and played well and a variety of positions but who knows if he was set since day one and coached properly. Are tight ends we're rarely used and I'm sure poorly coached so who knows what would have been let's just move forward in Hope they can improve with some quality coaching next year whoever that may be
 
I'd say Grier's drafts have been above average. Harris looks like a miss, but Tunsil and Howard are both home runs.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
I'd say Grier's drafts have been above average. Harris looks like a miss, but Tunsil and Howard are both home runs.
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It's not the miss on Harris that's concerning. You can forgive a miss here and there. Misses are going to happen. It's the logic behind making Charles Harris your selection at #22 overall that is concerning.

You can forgive a miss on a guy with tremendous upside that they swing for the fences on that just doesn't pan out. Or a guy with no major weaknesses who is a great football player that has his career derailed by unlucky injuries. Those types of things you can understand.

I will never understand the logic behind the Charles Harris pick. Nothing in his entire body of work at Missouri, nor his pre-draft evaluation suggests that he should be valued where Miami took him. He tested poorly, liability as a run defender was well known to any evaluator, and his production wasn't there. They passed up guys who quite clearly should've had a higher grade like T.J. Watt and Tre'Davious White to select this guy. Based on what exactly?

To me, it's concerning. It points to a flaw in your process somewhere.
 
I wish we knew who was responsible for drafting who. Was it Gase's influence that forced us to take Gesicki or did Grier feel like he was the best TE at the spot?
 
Beach Bum 91 said:
I wish we knew who was responsible for drafting who. Was it Gase's influence that forced us to take Gesicki or did Grier feel like he was the best TE at the spot?
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I think it's pretty clear Gesicki wasn't a Gase pick, so you can eliminate him. If he was a Gase pick, he would've had him more involved in terms of targets and put him in better positions to succeed to make himself look right.

But again, it's one of those things where you can forgive a miss in the 2nd round on the most athletically gifted tight end ever tested. The logic stands up to criticism. The guy dominated at the Senior Bowl. He's receiving poor coaching in Miami.
 
Digital said:
This analysis really should have included Jason Sanders … yeah, he's a kicker, but he was a very good late round pick.
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This. We need to look back on the decision to let Parkey go and give credit where it’s due. A lot of people found that move to be one of the worst of the off-season in camp.

Now Cody “Crossbar” Parkey is a 3 million dollar meme and Jason Sanders missed 2 fg’s all season.
 
TedSlimmJr said:
I think it's pretty clear Gesicki wasn't a Gase pick, so you can eliminate him. If he was a Gase pick, he would've had him more involved in terms of targets and put him in better positions to succeed to make himself look right.

But again, it's one of those things where you can forgive a miss in the 2nd round on the most athletically gifted tight end ever tested. The logic stands up to criticism. The guy dominated at the Senior Bowl. He's receiving poor coaching in Miami.
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I disagree. Gase talked about how on paper Gesicki was very involved in the gameplan. Miami beat themselves way too much this year. Sacks, penalties and just getting behind on the downs in general and obviously when that happens plans changed.
 
CaSh said:
I disagree. Gase talked about how on paper Gesicki was very involved in the gameplan. Miami beat themselves way too much this year. Sacks, penalties and just getting behind on the downs in general and obviously when that happens plans changed.
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Involved in the wrong way. He wasn't targeted enough.

Gase had to have somebody out there performing the role Gesicki played, it was Gesicki because of where he was drafted.
 
TedSlimmJr said:
Involved in the wrong way. He wasn't targeted enough.

Gase had to have somebody out there performing the role Gesicki played, it was Gesicki because of where he was drafted.
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We could both agree that we expected more production but I'm just saying its dependent on many factors.

Goedert had 44 targets on a much more stable team
Gesicki had 32 targets with Brock-on running the show for a quarter of the year. I would anticipate at least 5 more targets if 17 was healthy
Hayden Hurst had only 23 targets
Chris Herndon impressively had 39 receptions on 56 targets
 
TedSlimmJr said:
It's not the miss on Harris that's concerning. You can forgive a miss here and there. Misses are going to happen. It's the logic behind making Charles Harris your selection at #22 overall that is concerning.

You can forgive a miss on a guy with tremendous upside that they swing for the fences on that just doesn't pan out. Or a guy with no major weaknesses who is a great football player that has his career derailed by unlucky injuries. Those types of things you can understand.

I will never understand the logic behind the Charles Harris pick. Nothing in his entire body of work at Missouri, nor his pre-draft evaluation suggests that he should be valued where Miami took him. He tested poorly, liability as a run defender was well known to any evaluator, and his production wasn't there. They passed up guys who quite clearly should've had a higher grade like T.J. Watt and Tre'Davious White to select this guy. Based on what exactly?

To me, it's concerning. It points to a flaw in your process somewhere.
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NFL.com projection: round 1
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/charles-harris?id=2558001

Draftscout had him as the 5th rated DE
http://www.draftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=127236&draftyear=2017&genpos=DE
 
TedSlimmJr said:
I think it's pretty clear Gesicki wasn't a Gase pick, so you can eliminate him. If he was a Gase pick, he would've had him more involved in terms of targets and put him in better positions to succeed to make himself look right.

But again, it's one of those things where you can forgive a miss in the 2nd round on the most athletically gifted tight end ever tested. The logic stands up to criticism. The guy dominated at the Senior Bowl. He's receiving poor coaching in Miami.
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Thanks. I feel a little better. I think brighter days are ahead for Gesicki.
 
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