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Re-set in the Morning

Battered Dolphin Syndrome? LOL I believe most of us are suffering, I know I am.

Yesterday, I was so angry, and my comments reflected that.

Today, my anger has subsided to resignation to the fact that Ireland is the boss.

Now, regarding the Patriots, they were a playoff team, drastically improved under evil Belli with an inconsistent Bledsoe. The arrival of Brady, and Bledsoe's injury changed that franchises fortunes. I think Belli even underestimated Brady's impact.

Regarding the Fins, because we are lacking an elite QB(I think Moore is very good), it is imperative that we select a stable confident veteran coach like Marty Shottenhiemer. Most of us don't like his conservative ways, but you can't argue with his success. I don't care about his age because he is still in good health and good shape(arguably in better health than obese Rex Ryan). The stabilizing influence of Marty would help to erase the perception and the winning would mend fans enthusiasm.
Pair Marty with a younger coordinator(head coach material) to run whatever offense that our players skills demand. I think having his son in the position would cause some problems, but having the baby Shott on the team in some capacity may be beneficial to Marty.
Add to the staff Nolan(if he wants to return) Bowles(he would be great too..head coach material), or another quality 3-4 coordinator and we might be able to feel better about our chances this upcoming season.

The bottom line is that Marty truly wants to coach the Dolphins, he is still a quality coach and IMHO he would be the best fit at head coach to get this team into the playoffs with the nucleus of players. He will work with Ireland and be a positive change.
Shula endorses him too. Pretty good endorsement.
 
I'm sticking with my answer of Zimmer, on the basis that I think you don't necessarily have to have an offensive coach to have or develop a great QB. Belichick is a good example of that with Brady. Zimmer, like you mentioned, is a veteran assistant who would (likely) be able to attract a good staff as he is a well respected coach who has been around the keague a while. I think he is a great leader, a great motivator, and he gets the most out of his squads. If he can bring in the right offensive staff, I think he'd be an excellent choice. As much as I like some of the young, hungry offensive coordinators out there, I don't know what kind of staff they can attract and the staff can be as important as the coach.
 
finomenal said:
I said as much. Nick Saban is a great coach. An enormous prick, yes, but for as great a coach he is, the Dolphins didn't look good because they never got a franchise QB. Bill Belichick is a great coach, but he didn't look like a genius when he didn't have Tom Brady.
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Think about what you just wrote which is true- Saban didn't win b/c he didn't get a franchise qb. why not?

Because he had final personnel say and HE passed on Aaron Rodgers in the draft and HE chose Culpepper over Brees. Saban tried to pawn it off on the Miami doctors but ultimately it was his call and he blew it badly. Nick Saban punted on at a chance of bringing in the league's 2nd or 3rd best quarterback because he didn't have the guts and or brains to realize what Brees was but he did have the guts to demand the final say from Huizenga

Now we have a coach whose been out of the league for awhile who wanted final say and Ross rightfully said no and yet some of you don't see a parallel. Ross did the right thing.

It's not about getting the big name coach, its about getting a QB and having a partnership to build the best roster available I don;t think Jeff Fisher was the best way to do that.
 
I don't really see the point in pigeonholing our search to specific categories that have little or nothing to do with actual ability to coach (or holing pigeons period, but that's BobDole's business). Whether they are a "young Don Shula" or an experienced veteran makes no difference to me. We've experienced all of them since Shula left. Hell, we can eliminate every single possible hire based on similarities in regards to standing to previous coaches (coordinator vs. college vs. old "retread, etc"), because we've had so ****ing many ****ty coaches since then.

I'm just going to remain open minded for now that they are asking the right questions of these candidates and that they have a vision for the team that fits with the modern NFL. I honestly don't know how Ross is going to do (though I think he's making a mistake keeping Ireland), so at least I have that. I know Huizenga would have ****ed it up for sure.
 
Generic Name said:
Think about what you just wrote which is true- Saban didn't win b/c he didn't get a franchise qb. why not?

Because he had final personnel say and HE passed on Aaron Rodgers in the draft and HE chose Culpepper over Brees. Saban tried to pawn it off on the Miami doctors but ultimately it was his call and he blew it badly. Nick Saban punted on at a chance of bringing in the league's 2nd or 3rd best quarterback because he didn't have the guts and or brains to realize what Brees was but he did have the guts to demand the final say from Huizenga

Now we have a coach whose been out of the league for awhile who wanted final say and Ross rightfully said no and yet some of you don't see a parallel. Ross did the right thing.

It's not about getting the big name coach, its about getting a QB and having a partnership to build the best roster available I don;t think Jeff Fisher was the best way to do that.
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I've said that plenty times about him passing on Aaron Rodgers. That's his mistake. Brees wasn't his mistake. You're saying he should have overruled the doctor's after they tested both QBs? Saban is a coach not a doctor. If Culpepper physically ended up like Brees and Brees physically ended up like Culpepper, and he took Brees instead, I'm sure you'd be singing a much different tune.
 
For those who want Marty-ball a couple of things to consider: Who do you think his first hire would be...as in OC (BS) ? Does anybody remember Marty's general philosophy as to how to win football games? We just got rid of a coach that wanted to run and play D. IMHO the main reason to have him in here is to re-establish credibility...not good enough in my book, to watch boring painful football again-/-still for the last 10 years. One more thing, Marty's playoff record or lack therein...I rest my case. Ross wants young and exiting, I say go that way even if it means taking our lumps along the way, like we have ad naseaum.
 
Bree's was his mistake, anybody who thinks differently just wrong. I know what they said about the doctors but why would ANYBODY believe anything Satan had to say. If he wanted Brees he would have signed him.
 
Etuoo33 said:
Bree's was his mistake, anybody who thinks differently just wrong. I know what they said about the doctors but why would ANYBODY believe anything Satan had to say. If he wanted Brees he would have signed him.
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I hear you. I wouldn't take Saban's word for it if he looked outside and told me the sky was blue, but this is from Drew Brees' book:

Brees had significant interest on the table from the Saints. But he wanted to find out if Saban had the same faith in him that Payton and Mickey Loomis had in New Orleans. So Brees picked up the phone and called Saban, who told him the Miami team doctors believed Brees had a 25 percent chance to come back and be the same quarterback, or better, that he'd been before the shoulder surgery.

According to the book, Brees said to Saban: "Coach, I know what your doctors believe about me. My question is, what do you believe?''

Wrote Brees: "Nick Saban paused. That was really all I needed to hear. His pause told me everything. 'Well, Drew,' he said, 'I would still love to have you, but I have to trust what our medical people are saying ...' He went on from there, like he was reading from a script. But I was starting to tune out. By then I had all the information I needed. I had made my decision.''​



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You're free to believe otherwise, but Saban's decisions on who he went with and didn't go with at QB wasn't my original argument. My point is that regardless of the coach, you still need to have a franchise QB to be a contender in the NFL.
 
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