I'm sorry I should avoid it and let you guys get back to your homer discussions pretending that everything is great in dolphin land now that Tony is gone- the same guy you guys were pumping up to be a great coach just a few short years ago.
Reading this article made me so excited - WCO & smart coach vs Sparano & the Wildcat
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I'm sorry I should avoid it and let you guys get back to your homer discussions pretending that everything is great in dolphin land now that Tony is gone- the same guy you guys were pumping up to be a great coach just a few short years ago.
The problem with Sporano was not how creative or how bad the play calling was. His biggest issue was his inability to grow a pair and actually try to win games. He was so scared of losing that he coached scared and sapped any type of confidence the offense would have when they were playing well. Mistakes happen but it often felt like after one mistake, the whole team would go into a conservative shell. Watching the games, I could see exactly every time Sporano went into "I'm so terrified to lose mode" which in turn actually assisted in us losing. Any person that would want to justify him as a good coach and is confident that that an offense led by him can be successful really needs to look back the past 4 years of Dolphins struggles and reassess their opinion.
Nothing is great in Dolphin land until they start winning.. and even then there will always be some jaded fans that will continue to have problems with everything. The reality of the situation is that other than his first year where we admittedly got lucky with a few games. It was easy to see how many games he lost for us with bad game planning, bad player management, and worst of all, bad game day management. When you coach not to lose, you are going to lose.
The good news for us is he is an OC not a HC. Rex plays to win, not being afraid to lose.
I'd disagree to the extent that while there is that, as well as boneheaded field calls that cost us several games, even moreso Tony was so clueless offensively that he empowered Henning to continue to install predictable, momentum killing plays, saw nothing wrong with them and threw his offense under the bus for poorly executing them. Didn't matter to him that the opposing defenses we faced to a team were laughing their azzes off about being able to predict something like 4 out of every 5 plays. This is the offensive savant the jest are counting on to install effective, innovative plays. Again, for the fins it's "addition by subtraction" and the jest it's likely "subtraction by addition." Aside from divisional opponents, probably the happiest one to learn of Tony's OC hiring was the much pu-upon (for good reason) Little Schotty. :up:
Ahhh so now it was Tony's fault not henning. Interesting how that changes.
But the bad news is Rex didn't get involved when Schotty was there so why should he with Sparano. After all they share the same. mentality in pounding the rock.
Dolphin fans in May? Are you serious? Jet's fans are notorious for pumping up their average team to be a super bowl contender every year. Look up homer in the dictionary and you'll find a picture of Knicks, Mets and Jets fans even though not one of those teams has won anything in years. In fact it's getting so bad for New York teams that the once respectable fans of Yankees and Giants teams are picking up the obnoxious breed of NY idiot.
I'm not sure if Junco lives down here but all of us who do suffer through the transplant New Yorker and their blind homerism. I know South Florida fans have a bad rep but Jet's fans are among the leagues worst.
Let's be honest, Sparano was a horrible coach. The moron fist-pumped red zone FGs all day and was basically a continuation of the Wan-stupid era of coaching. I can't speak for anyone else on this board but I haven't been high on a Dolphin coach since...well shula. The ones that brought optimism shortly destroyed it with their first draft. Cam Cameron and ted gin, saben and jason Allen, Jimmy Johnson and John Avery over Randy Moss plus his destruction of our once complicated offense that started the downward spiral into what it's become today. They were all horrible. Philbin is the first coach I've actually understood the direction after the draft. I'll be honest and say I don't understand the latter rounds by Tannehill and Martin were great picks IMO. The only player I would have wanted over Tannehill was Luke Kueckley (sp?) but since we have FAT Dansby at MLB with a huge cap number already that would have been a tough choice.
As for the orginal post, Tebow is a trash quarterback but an awesome football player. If they can limit his playing time to inside the 10 or 20 yard line I think he will be worth their investment. The problem for the Jets is when Sanchez does poorly to start the season how quickly will the Jets pull the plug and insert Tebow due to fan pressure? I predict that you'll see Tebow as the full time starter around week 6. Sanchez, for a first round move up in the draft pick, has been a bust. Nothing more than a slighty above average game manager that took a very good defensive team deep into the playoffs twice. Winning is not the only thing that matters for a quarterback in the NFL. The Jets invested the pick, money and playing time into a QB that is not the answer and winning with him only extended their misery. It's awesome to see our coaching rejects stick to our divsion because it makes me all the more confident those teams and their obnoxious horrible fans will never win anything. Good luck running the Tebow-cat.LOL
I'm not sure if Junco lives down here but all of us who do suffer through the transplant New Yorker and their blind homerism. I know South Florida fans have a bad rep but Jet's fans are among the leagues worst.
Let's be honest, Sparano was a horrible coach. The moron fist-pumped red zone FGs all day and was basically a continuation of the Wan-stupid era of coaching. I can't speak for anyone else on this board but I haven't been high on a Dolphin coach since...well shula. The ones that brought optimism shortly destroyed it with their first draft. Cam Cameron and ted gin, saben and jason Allen, Jimmy Johnson and John Avery over Randy Moss plus his destruction of our once complicated offense that started the downward spiral into what it's become today. They were all horrible. Philbin is the first coach I've actually understood the direction after the draft. I'll be honest and say I don't understand the latter rounds by Tannehill and Martin were great picks IMO. The only player I would have wanted over Tannehill was Luke Kueckley (sp?) but since we have FAT Dansby at MLB with a huge cap number already that would have been a tough choice.
As for the orginal post, Tebow is a trash quarterback but an awesome football player. If they can limit his playing time to inside the 10 or 20 yard line I think he will be worth their investment. The problem for the Jets is when Sanchez does poorly to start the season how quickly will the Jets pull the plug and insert Tebow due to fan pressure? I predict that you'll see Tebow as the full time starter around week 6. Sanchez, for a first round move up in the draft pick, has been a bust. Nothing more than a slighty above average game manager that took a very good defensive team deep into the playoffs twice. Winning is not the only thing that matters for a quarterback in the NFL. The Jets invested the pick, money and playing time into a QB that is not the answer and winning with him only extended their misery. It's awesome to see our coaching rejects stick to our divsion because it makes me all the more confident those teams and their obnoxious horrible fans will never win anything. Good luck running the Tebow-cat.LOL
Sure he did and Schotty gets way too much blame. The O wasn't underperforming b/c of the OC last year, it was b/c the OL was mediocre to bad most of the year. Decisions to go for TDs over FGs, go on 4th down, etc... are decisions made by rex not by Tony.
In that Tony as the head coach continued to empower Henning actually declaring that in his impressive offensive vision, he saw nothing wrong with the plays the opposing defenses found consistently predictable, but rather with the offense's execution of them. If you want to sweep that offensive cluelessness under the rug to maintain your comfort level - well that's your prerogative, but doesn't it change the facts, especially since they came directly out of the horse's own mouth. :idk:
in '09 & '10 folks like you told me it was all Henning. Why the change?
Tony didn't call plays in Miami, he will here. I don't know exactly what to expect, I am going in w/ an open mind.
I'd say for awhile the close runner up to the coach of the year who seemingly orchestrated the most impressive turn around in NFL history deserved some residual benefit of the doubt. Especially while Parcells was onboard protecting his buddy Henning. However, after a lot of bonehead field calls costing us games, like the 2009 NO time out which killed the season's momentum and pointed us away from playoff contention (although still the same 7-7 as you), the endless "ya knows, and "at the end of the days" stammering in press conference and finally, in '10 throwing his players under the bus for predictable playcalling when he no longer had to shield Henning all conspired to forfeit any benefit of the doubt. It would be the same as the pass Rex is getting now for being clueless about his clubhouse's cancerous implosion. If it again happens, I would hope jest fans would be as objective about him as some, even late-arriving fins fans like me had become about Tony and his sense of offense.
We're informing you that Tony is offensively clueless. Certainly you could and should hope for the best, as we would if we signed Wayne Hunter as a starter, delegating the blame for his flagrant porosity on Callahan despite jest fans telling us otherwise. Same difference :idk:
You are blaming a TO in 2009 against NO for killing that seasons momentum? they still had a HUGE lead in that game and blew it then won the next week and 3 of the next 4 so the momentum of the season was not lost. You had a chance needing to win 2 of your last 3 against non playoff bound teams(2 at home) and you failed to win any of them. It had nothing to do w/ the NO game.
Rex has been to 2 title games in 3 years and had us in playoff contention last year so obviously he gets a pass.
You don't know Tony is offensively clueless since he didn't run your offense.
I haven't blamed Callahan, don't lump me in w/ anyone else. Callahan is a very good OL coach and Hunter had success w/ him 2 years ago. Last year he had no offseason, got a nice contract for the first time and maybe relaxed a bit? we also had injuries through the middle of the OL which didn't help. I don't prefer Hunter to start day 1 this year but I have seen him play well before and I hope he can again if he is our starter but I don't feel comfortable.
Vaark, I do think we are both looking at the same apple from 2 different sides but we are both coming to the same result. We both agree Sporano is not a good coach and for the life of me I cannot understand why he was hired as an offensive coordinator.
NYJunc, I don't see how his hiring is a positive for your organization. Yes, he is just the OC but he doesn't bring an aura of confidence. Maybe we are all wrong and he will be a great OC, but his body of work would say otherwise.
NYJunc, I don't see how his hiring is a positive for your organization. Yes, he is just the OC but he doesn't bring an aura of confidence. Maybe we are all wrong and he will be a great OC, but his body of work would say otherwise.